Re: Science = 100% falsifiability? Really?



On Dec 17, 2:13 pm, Rupert Morrish <rup...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yes, it does. That's why they're called tool marks, and not "random
scratchings that give us no clues".

Nature can make non-random markings as well. You have to have at
least some idea as to the limits of what nature can do before you'd
have any idea that the markings you think to be "tool marks" could not
be closely mimiced by some non-deliberate force of nature.

No. We don't put limits on what nature can do. We say that such marks
have not been observed to occur naturally.

And what the heck does that mean if that says nothing about what you
think nature is likely to be able to do? If this information says
nothing at all to you about what all of nature is likely to be able to
do and not do, then how can you make a conclusion that your tool marks
are most likely artifactual? You'd really have no idea given your
argument as stated.

I am not surprised that a
mind capable of accepting creationism, which explicitly places limits on
what God can do, has difficulty with this distinction.

You mean like limiting God to a point where he couldn't use an
evolutionary mechanism to create life? Is that the kind of
'limitation' you are talking about? If so, this is a common but inane
position. If an intelligent designer didn't use limitations of some
kind, even if self-imposed, there would be no way for us to understand
anything given the minds that we have. We understand the universe
because it is logical to us - because it functions within the language
of mathematics.

As Einstein put it, what is most amazing about the universe is that it
actually make sense to us. It doesn't have to you know.

Sean Pitman
www.DetectingDesign.com

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