Re: Still at it?



On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:51:24 -0800 (PST), in talk.origins
Frank J <fnci@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
<4812691e-0654-42e2-97ff-bb68c9851562@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
On Dec 8, 7:59 pm, jonasandthede...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Unbelieveable, I can't believe that this discussion is still going
on!!!

How the bloody hell can a normal modern human believe in
overdramatized folklore from flippin 20 centuries ago???

Better yet, how can different groups believe several mutually
contradictory "literal" interpretations of it without wondering that,
maybe, just maybe, they're all wrong. Especially since most major
religions agree that they are!


Doesn't that
make an alarm go off anywhere? Why believe in God?

Well that's a different subject altogether. You might get a better
sample of answers on a religion newsgroup.

Where is this so
called 'god' then? What's the point in believing in anything spiritual
anyway? Its making life unnecessarily complex! Why can't we just sit
back, shut up, and accept that life is just the way it presents itself
and that you have the freedom to make it as fun and ordered as you
like? Life is so much more fun and easy that way.

This is just an age-old power struggle, back from the time when we
were apes. Discussions between creationists and 'evolutionists' is a
matter of chucking around some carefully picked words in the form of
subtle insults and completely avoiding the subject. The real effort is
stimulated by the desire for power. Most creationists on this forum do
not love their neighbor as themselves, but they condemn, very
selectively. The whole biblical message, if there is one, is utterly
void here. There is no love or understanding, just monkey behavior,
powergrabbing, insulting, fighting, being clever and outsmarting the
other. No-one really gets the point, scriptures, whether religious or
scientific, will never help you attain the 'kingdom of heaven', if
anything, they drive us right away from it.
'God' gave you flippin eyes to see reality, whether it is a crying
baby or fossils in a rock, its hard reality, and still there's a
discussion on evolution? No, you cannot brush off fossils with some
lame excuse concerning 'satan', for if satan did do it, then we are
worshipping the wrong diety. Think about it, satan masterfully creates
billions of years of history, things are mellow and relatively
harmonious. Now along comes God, or YHWH, and within 10,000 years, a
geological split-second, the whole ecology and atmosphere is
unstable!!! And the creator of this we worship???

That's only the creator that YECs worship. Ask them.


Even worse, along
comes 'God' right, he creates 'everything': adam, eve, even the
flippin snake in the tree (if not who then, is god's power
challengable? then he's not exactly omnipotent is he?). right, so
here's this snake, created by God. 'hello eve, here's an apple'. The
creature, made according to the image of God himself, does not
hesitate and takes a nice big munch out of this apple. And not God
punishes his creation? What a sloppy God. He's the one who messed up,
how can he punish his creation for being able to be tempted. Who
instilled the temptation if God created 'everything'??? The whole
story makes no sense at all and you are a completely deluded fool if
you believe in that fairytale.

What stupidity!

Fools!!

Well, some of the most prominent critics of creationism and ID do not
think that it's foolish to believe in God.

True, but I cannot think of any prominent critics of religion who reject
science.

.



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