Re: In the News: 'Expelled' Exposes Plight of Darwin Doubters

On Dec 1, 2:07 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
backspace wrote:
On Nov 30, 11:39 pm, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

though
there would be significant structural differences between modern chimps and
that species. Remember: the common ancestor *must* have all the features
both humans and chimps have in common, but it need not be the same as
either of us in other ways.

Actually, not true. Some features could have arisen convergently.
Genetically speaking, some certainly did, and thus were not present in
the common ancestor.

You are begging the question Dr.Harshman , you are assuming that
there was a first living cell. How do actually know this? Presently
it is simply assumed that there was a first living cell that diverged
and thus all fossils are interpreted in this paradigm.

Actually, I am assuming no such thing. We were talking about the
human-chimp common ancestor, which comes several billion years after the
first living cell, or whatever else you want to claim as a starting
point.

And thus you demonstrate my point: Assuming that there was a first
living cell. How do you actually know this? One can certainly state as
a conjecture that there was a first living cell from which all the
species diverged. What one can't do is to say that therefore because
there was a first living cell the species simply had to diverge - this
is a logical fallacy known as circular reasoning.

You know nothing of evolutionary biology ...

What is evolutionary biology? Define for me what this is or at least
who defined it. Definitions are arrangements of existing ideas.
Biology is the study of life. But what is life? From the August 2007
issue of Seed magazine philosopher Carol Cleland said that the concept
of attempting to define life was deeply flawed in a meeting in 2001
called "The Nature of Life", hosted by the AAAS. She said the search
for a definition of life was beyond problematic and they should simply
stop looking for one. The quest could either be impossible or
scientifically trivial. End of story she concluded.

She said that chemists can now say water is H2O. However, "Water is
H2O" isn't a definition. It's a discovery."

You would have to read the whole article to understand he line of
thought. It was republished in Popular Mechanics Dec.2007 South Africa
edition. All I have to add to what Cleland said is that her premise is
materialism and thus whatever answer she wants she has predetermined
apriori the form the answer must take if ever she discovers what
"life" really is. Presently withing the materialist paradigm nobody
knows what is life, which means that the word "biology" is actually
undefined within this paradigm.

For me as a YEC I know what is life for I discovered it at age 10 -
Jesus Christ who said that he is Life incarnate. He is Life, he is the
answer Clelend is trying to discover, he is the option she is not
willing to consider given her materialist premise.

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