Re: FYI on Dave the new guy

"On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:15:00 -0800 (PST), in article
<08808a72-9b09-4c8c-80f2-cfe4bcc45ce1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, IbeDavid
stated..."

On Nov 25, 1:03 pm, TomS <TomS_mem...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:48:48 -0800 (PST), in article
<571a6d1d-4f63-4922-bff6-5624f548f...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, IbeDavid
stated..."







On Nov 24, 7:11 pm, ken <flakey...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
DaveinLakeEvil, Ibedavid, Ibenorm, norman706, and whatever other names
he's concocted to avoid your killfiles are all the same 1/2 wit

And he's here ONLY to trap

REPLY: Thank you Net-Nanny for introducing me ; Im not here 'to
trap' anyone ... only to engage in civil dialogue as i once was a
fellow-atheist who had to quit playing the Pretend Game at any cost so
i could live as i like. Like now former-atheist Prof. Anthony Flew ,
I had to release atheism due to Modern Science proving atheism totally
untenable , absurd, and requiring FAR more faith than what a Theist
requires. www.impactapologetics.com for the featured book :" I Dont
Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist' by Dr. Norman Geisler .

As faith is a gift of God, that means that the faith to be an atheist
must be a gift of God.

Anyway, atheism is off-topic for talk.origins.

I'm interested in what your non-evolutionary account is for
various highly complex and specified patterns in the world of
life. Such as the complex structure of the "tree of life". Or how
the existence of God determines the values of the "fine-tuning"
of constants of physics.

It would be interesting to hear what the reason is for Homo sapiens
being just another mammal. Or how we can establish the value of
the speed of light, not by experiment, but by deductions from the
nature of God.

--
---Tom S.
"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand."
attributed to Josh Billings- Hide quoted text -

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REPLY: Tom, 1. Faith for the Believer is from God and as the Bible
says and EVERYONE believes and knows intrinsically that God the
Creator exists (Romans 1:18-22) so that man is without excuse for
trying to deny God. God gives additional faith to those who go seeking
after him and are genuine in wanting to learn more about him. Now,
'Atheists' believe in an Intelligent Being for this universe but they
choose to suppress that knowledge for whatever personal ulterior
motives they have ... usually to choose a lifestyle that would not sit
well with God . No one is that absurd to think the Universe just
popped into existence from nothing by nothing complete with over 133
razor edge Constant parameters of our Universe all in tact and working
in unison with one another so we could live on earth. The bottom line
is, 'atheists' dont want to surrender their autonomy to God nor follow
his ways ; they think its more fun to call their own shots. I know
cause i used to give myself the label of 'atheist' many years back.
2. The Creators plan was to provide a very suitable place for his most
prized possession to live and this is why he carefully crafted our
universe with so many Design parameters incorporating
physics ,mathematics, and chemistry --the Universe as has been
discovered is a very rational place ; God made the universe , for
example , to be within 1/1,000,000 th for the universes expansion
rate. You talk about precision ! This however pales in comparison to
the Gravitational Force which is required so Earth doesnt fly off
into space -- this particular factor is so precise that it truly
boggles the mind . A full list of these 133 required Constants can be
studied at www.reasons.org under Design Evidences. It shows the
enormous care, planning, execution, and sustanence that God endures
for our wellbeing so we could have a real personal relationship with
him. For, that is the ultimate reason for him providing all he has in
the shaping of this Universe we live in. It is a very prideful and
rebellious person who willfully refuses to have anything to do with
The Creator of the Universe. Dave.


So, what is your answer?

How do you account for the values of these 133 required constants?

Of course, as you accept the values of these 133 constants, and you
accept that they are constants, that means that you accept the
obvious conclusion that the universe, the world, and life on earth
are billions of years old. (The only way that life on earth could
possibly be no more than a few millions of years old would be if
these constants had greatly different values.)

How does the existence of God tell us that the speed of light has
this "fine-tuned" value? How does the existence of God determine
the values of the half-lives of nuclei?


--
---Tom S.
"As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand."
attributed to Josh Billings

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