Re: Emergence workshop

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:52:05 -0800 (PST), James Goetz
<james.goetz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 21, 12:39 pm, r norman <r_s_norman@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:43:40 -0800 (PST), Kermit





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On Nov 21, 7:07 am, Raving <raving.loo...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Nov 21, 9:44 am, dkomo <dkomo...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Heh. What I actually meant to say (and simply assumed was clear from
the context) was "google on this search term and then click on some of
the resulting links to see that complex systems is a field of study in
quite a few universities around the world, and to read about what goes
on in this field.

I would never suggest anything as silly as to take seriously the results
count from the search.

Oh.

It is always a pleasure to see a scientist being selective and
discerning in his or her data and outlook.

... Very professional and prudent, IMO. Makes for excellent
grantsmanship.

One can never be too careful when it comes to pursuing the "truth".

He wasn't making a statement about the frequency of hits being
associated with real university departments; he was asserting merely
that they existed in significant numbers.

He established that.

The fact is that my original reference to legitimacy being evidenced
by academic departments and activity was most definitely
tongue-in-cheek knowing full well of the many incredibly silly
excursions academicians are capable of and which we engage in with
great frequency.

Putting aside the question of whether the study of emergence is truly
valid or only a passing fad, there are a rather large number of people
engaged in it. It is not simply the preoccupation of a couple of
kooky talk.origin characters. There are physicists and engineers and
mathematicians (who are kooky enough in their own right) not to
mention a large number of people in economics and sociology and
cognitive science all desperately searching for some excuse to call
their work 'science'. And, someday, something really important may
come of it.

Are you implying that nothing really important has resulted from the
concept of emergence in complex systems while you hope that one day it
will?

Can you cite something of real significance that has emerged (sic) to
date where the application of complex systems theory and the notion of
emergence was critical in that development? Certainly there are
things of real significance that the complex systems theory ex post
facto declare as emergent, but where did complex systems theory play
the critical role beforehand?


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