Re: Science, God, and Free Will

On Nov 8, 11:30 am, part...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Nov 6, 6:04 pm, rem6...@xxxxxxxxx (Robert Maas, seehttp://tinyurl.com/uh3t)
wrote:


[...]
The Jews are still alive, preserving their original religion and
culture (some of them, anyway). ...
No nation/culture has so survived.

Look how you contradict yourself! Either at least one culture *did*
so survive, namely the Jews, or not any whatsoever did.

I meant that no nation/culture has survived as the Jews did.


[He's probably looking for a "no _other_ culture".]

[...]
There is no way that the high priests of the Middle East, who hired
scribes to write their myths, then died 3000 years ago, can *now*
guarantee anything. They were just men, and now they've been dead
for 3000 years. If their "guarantee" isn't good, how are you going
to collect damages? Their "guarantee" is worthless, get used to it.

That's exactly the point. They couldn't have been *so* wise, so
maybe the prophecer wasn't them...

For example, it might have been their descendants, who already knew
(or at least assumed) that they survived...

[...]
Please give specific evidence against the Flood, if you have any. We
can then try to find their underlying assumptions, and see where the
bible contradicts these assumptions.


I was going to give some examples, but then I noticed:

[...]
It may be interpreted that physics laws were different (earth
didn't preserve its angular momentum), or some other catastrophe
has occured (a tiny back hole passing by, or such).

Only an idiot would try to prop up an ancient myth like that.

You agreed that past survival isn't a guarantee for the future.
Can't you extrapolate this principle to the past, too? the current
(apparent) constancy of physics laws says nothing on what happened
thousands of years ago. If you thought that bible is idiotic, surely
you'll agree that the belief in nature laws is worse?


There's not much point in presenting "evidence" about what happened
thousands of years ago, if I'm not allowed to make "assumptions" about
how things worked in the past. For example, you have no "evidence"
that the Jews or the Bible existed three thousand years ago, that is
not based on such "assumptions".

any extrapolation on current physics laws and solar system's
behaviour into the past, is anti-Biblical, ...

Who the *** cares? The entire Universe is anti-Biblical in that sense.

In what sense?

In the sense that "any extrapolation on current physics laws and solar
system's behaviour into the past, is anti-Biblical." There must have
been _some_ physics laws and solar system behavior back then, and
there must be such now, at great distances from us. Yet, these things
are "anti-Biblical" according to you. (Although I confess I don't see
why.)

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