Re: Origins and Mental Activity

On 30 Oct, 03:16, Zoe <muz...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:48:31 -0400, Ken Rode <kar...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Zoe wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:53:49 -0400, Ken Rode <kar...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

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Note: the "gaseous cloud" and the "large pool of elements" are the same
thing. The elements are not produced by the cloud, the elements *are*
the cloud.

but wait, Mark said that these stars would have been created and
destroyed long before the elements came on the scene. So how come the
elements are already on the scene, according to your scenario. Maybe
y'all need to get together?

perhaps you'd get your question (the one you really want to ask)
answered
more quickly if you didn't disappear down these side tracks.

Big Bang
->
universe all H and He evenly distributed [UD]
->
stars form- distribution now clumpy and non-uniform [NUD]
->
stars make heavy elements (C, N, S...) [NUD]
->
some stars explode (novae) spreading H, He, C, N... [NUD]
->
more stars form


wash rinse and repeat. The distribution of matter is NU
as soon as the first stars form and never goes back.
There are no heavy elements until after the 1st generation
of stars. Hence heavy elemts always NU.


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I've read through some of the other responses, and I have to agree with
some of the respondents. It would genuinely be helpful at this point if
you actually knew some basic chemistry.

I do.

you hide it well


Colour me suspicious. Your responses so far have indicated that you have
no grasp of valence, which is a significant part of the answer to your
questions.

color me frustrated. I clearly am not getting the intent of my
questions across. I'm not asking how bonds form, how many empty
shells are available, how the raw elements themselves came into
existence. I am trying to determine the limits of chemical bonding,

"the limits of chemical bonding..." which means what?


not how the bonds themselves occur. It's a superficial copout to say,
we see that everything works today through chemistry, therefore,
chemistry is the creator of everything we see. Chemistry is integral
to everything we see, yes, but chemistry does not have the ability to
create organization outside of its basic chemical reactions.....unless
you can present evidence of this.

as the gas cloud of mixed elements cools and increases in density
atoms collide at random. Chemistry (ie. basic physics) decides if they
stick together to form molecules or sub-molecular groups
("radicals").
So NeNe isn't going to work. OH is, CN is etc. As the density
increases
still more (proto-planets) radicals (groups still with some
unsatisfied
valence electrons) become less likely. H2O, HCN, CO2, NH3 become more
common. A blundering free oxygen atom (unpaired) is so reactive it
will
react with almost anything it collides with. Free oxygen tends to be
rare (unless you've got a lot of UV or active Cl (bleach) around).

Without your Law of Intelligence the planet settles down to a more
or less stable collection of relativly unreactive compounds.

Now what was your question?


--
Nick Keighley




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