Re: Darwin tells us his intent with Natural Selection


backspace wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:21 pm, Iain <iain_inks...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 30, 3:13 pm, backspace <sawireless2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 30, 4:00 pm, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

The process where each slight useful variation is preserved
as the ape species gradually transformed into the human species I have
termed natural selection in order to compare its powers of conscious
selection to man's ability to consciously select.
And here you have inserted "its powers of conscious selection".

Yes, because that seems to be his intent, to personify nature.

Um....

You were citing Darwin's words as evidence of his intent.
That's fine.

If, however, you invent your own words, and assign them to Darwin, you
are -- to put it politely -- lying, and everything you have just said
becomes pointless.

Then please formulate for me in your own words what was Darwin's
intent with "...natural selection, in order to mark its relation to
man's power of selection...." What on earth was Darwin talking about?

Variation under nature, as opposed to variation under domestication.

Why didn't he spell out exactly what he was trying to say.

He did, and he made it quite clear. Have you not read the actual
document? It's available on-line, if you're honestly interested.

One simply
can't pin him down to his intent. This is a problem for evolutionists
because it
means you can't motivate why you are using "natural selection".

It's no problem for "evolutionists." However, it IS a problem for the
anti-science folks who try to discredit Darwin's ideas, since they
usually don't understand the material to start with.

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