Re: What would science be like if intelligent design hadn't been a dishonest scam?

Ron O <rokimoto@xxxxxxx> wrote in news:1187954038.801057.66640
@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

On Aug 24, 2:57 am, "nando_rontel...@xxxxxxxxx"
<nando_rontel...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Gee, if it's a scam then where is all the profit? It's not there.
Intelligent design is just a bunch of people who honestly and
sincerely seek to bring belief in well... intelligent design into
science.

[snip]


You need to do your own research. Nonprofit doesn't mean that noone
makes money. They give fellowships at the Discovery Institute even if
you've never got one. I doubt that guys like Meyer or Luskin work for
free. What has anyone of the recipients ever done with the money?
Dembski is known to brag about how much he makes on his books. He is
also on the board of the FTE (the publishers of ID scam book Pandas
and People). Guys like Meyer are on the board of directors of places
like ARN. Just go to ARN and look at all the junk that they hawk.

[snip Ron's point that it's not all about money, but also power]

I'd like to reiterate a point I tried to make a couple of weeks ago
about the nature of scams in general. You have two bunches of people:
the VERY MUCH LARGER bunch of people who get scammed, and still don't
know it, or are unwilling to face it. I think these people, in large
part, represent what Nando refers to as, "a bunch of people who honestly
and sincerely seek to bring belief in well... intelligent design into
science." The problem there, of course, is that they may honestly and
sincerely want that, but they're ignorant. Just as people who honestly
and sincerely want astrology brought into astronomy, or who want the
history of Atlantis to be brought into geography, are ignorant.

There's nothing wrong with being ignorant: nobody can know everything.
But it's important -- and sometimes difficult! -- to recognize when one
is talking bullshit. Unfortunately, a lot of people who hear about ID
and buy it simply don't know any better.

What's worse, though, is the much smaller group of people who really do
know better and continue to spout the bullshit anyway. I'm willing to
believe that a couple of them are just confused, but I'm certain there
are at least a few who know darn well that they're lying and just don't
care, and in fact, think it's A Good Thing to lie, because they're lying
for A Good Cause. For such cretins I have nothing but scorn, spittle,
and my boots up their collective ass.

-JAH

and they're so handily nearby!

.

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