Re: Attn ID proponents: When a theory is in trouble

On Aug 18, 3:59 pm, "Elf M. Sternberg" <e...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Numerous <numer...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:35:35 -0700, "Elf M. Sternberg"
<e...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The problem is that we don't actually see evolutionarly scientists
saying this.
Of course not. You never see ID proponents say ID is in trouble
either, do you?

The point is that we *do* see cosmologists and physicists
saying that Big Bang theory is in trouble.

Are they *all* saying this, or just the "real" ones? Are you claiming
a consensus of cosmologists and physicists, of the actual BB theory
being "in trouble"?

So Behe for example, isn't an "evolutionary scientist", right?

Real scientists admit it
when there's a problem.

Real scientists, huh. You really mean that a "real" scientist is
honest and admits a problem when he sees one. Nice fantasy you live
in. And disprovable to you, since any scientists shown to not admit a
known problem would be seen as not a "real" scientist.

Evolutionary science is open to the
possibility; ID is just not it.

The state of any scientific belief or consensus has been shown many
times in the past to not be "open" to change. Change has occured, but
you can't use that fact to support this childish claim that one
particular belief is open to change at any given time. Besides, you
are conveniently painting evolutionary science, and ID, with a very
large brush.

If you are just expressing faith in a belief that is called "fact" is
"open" to change, then you've done nothing here to support that faith.
But with this wide brush you've used, readers don't know what you are
really talking about in particular, yet you seem to think this
ambiguity and generalization adequate to disparage ID.

You're just an atheist loon.




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