Re: Steven J's failure to recognize what Darwin hath wrought

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:01:20 -0700, Ray Martinez wrote:

On Aug 7, 2:53 pm, Shane <remar...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:00:12 -0700, Ray Martinez wrote:
On Aug 6, 2:57 pm, Shane <remarcsdNOS...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:34:08 -0700, Ray Martinez wrote:
On Aug 5, 4:12 pm, Shane <remarcsdNOS...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:06:22 -0700, Ray Martinez wrote:
On Aug 4, 8:15 pm, Richard Clayton <pockZIGetnZIG...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Ray Martinez wrote:
On Aug 3, 2:07 am, w...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:10:05 GMT, T Pagano <not.va...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Darwinism (that is, natural selection) is morally neutral to all
behavior and will continue to engender the heinous murderous atheist
acts which we have witnessed since it was offered in 1859. Acts which
eclipse every bad act committed in purely religious terms in all of
human history.
Regards,
T Pagano
-- Steven J.
when one reads the murderous, genocidal, slave bearing history of the
christian religion, it's a wonder creationists have the temerity to
accuse others of what they, themselves have been guilty of for a
thousand years.

We do not deny these atrocities. The point here is that post-Darwin
Atheism, that is educated 20th century Atheists armed with the
scientific "facts" and ramifications of Darwinism, instantly proceeded
to commit genocide on a scale never seen in calendar history. Not
counting the Holocaust, Atheist regimes in the 20th century murdered
at least 100,000,000 million persons.

Atheist regimes murdered over 100 trillion people? (That would be
100,000,000 million, or 100,000,000,000,000, or 1x10^14.) That would be
a good trick, given that the world population is somewhere around seven
billion-- less than a ten-thousandth of the "100,000,000 million" you cited.

Tell me, Ray, is your understanding of mathematics as good as your
understanding of biology?
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Richard Clayton
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I said one hundred million.

Another Ray terminological inexactitude that is so easily checked it
is amazing that he didn't apologise for a simple mistake and move on.
Here is the direct quote.

"Atheist regimes in the 20th century murdered at least 100,000,000
million persons."

Apparently Ray didn't even bother to check his post, but just assumed
that his opponents were dishonest.

I subsequently said 100 million and corrected the typo. Why have you
failed to recognize? Is it because you are a Darwinist and an Atheist?

Another Ray lie. You didn't correct anything, your merely insisted
that your first error was correct.

Here are the two quotes by you;
"Atheist regimes in the 20th century murdered at least 100,000,000
million persons."

"I said one hundred million."

See Ray it works like this, if you were correcting the earlier
statement, then your second one would have said something along the
lines, of I *meant* 100 million, but you could not even admit to such
a minor error, so you insisted that your initial statment said
something it obviously does not.

As to why I have failed to recognise your correction, the reason is
simple, you didn't make one, you merely insisted that your original
statement was correct, when it obviously is not.

This is a conservative figure to say the
least. Russian and East Bloc and Chinese and Southeast Asian and Cuban
and Korean Atheist-communist regimes, with Darwinism as their theory,
murdered in cold blood, probably 250 million persons during the 20th
century. The American news media, who are of course Darwinists
themselves and ultra-liberals, refused to report Atheist-communist
atrocities to the degree that the numbers represent because they
wanted peace at any cost with these nations.

This is what happened when Atheists, after becoming empowered with
Darwin's "facts," that is, alleged evidence of God's non-existence
confirming Atheist faith, acquired power. They instantly surpassed and
out-did any Church caused atrocity in previous history. This is why
Atheists cannot be trusted with power.

Look what Darwin hath wrought:

Congratulations Atheists: in ten decades of time you murdered more
persons than were previously murdered in all of calendar history.

Perhaps Ray can answer this question, because no other creationist
I've come across has had the courage to answer;

With respect to large scale deaths and genocide, is it worse to kill a
large number but a small percentage, or a large percentage of a small
number.

For example, is Mao, the overseer of the killing of (I'm guessing
here) 100 million--approx 10%--of the chinese people, worse than those
that killed 100% of the Tasmanian aboriginals?

And if so why?

And if not, what is the significance of pointing out how bad Mao et al
were, when the theistic inspired genocides of history have eliminated
entire tribes and races of people?

I see that you are a typical cowardly creationist and choose to run
away rather than confront this issue.
Your attempt to act like, and brand a grain of sand (corrected
mistake)

Another Ray lie, the mistake was not corrected as demonstrated above,
you merely insisted that your original statement was correct.

Evading 100 million murders by Atheists in the 20th century via a
silly misrepresentation.

Nope. Lets look at your claim.
You claimed that atheists murdered 100,000,000 million people in the
20th century.

When it was pointed out to you that this was ludicrous, you did not sy,
'Oh my I made a mistake, silly me, here is what i actually meant', which
would have earned you deserved respect, you went for plan be which is
deny, deny, deny, and posted this comment;
"I said one hundred million."

Whic is two things
1. an obvious lie, and
2. not a correction..

to be a mountain (lie) while ignoring the fact that 100
million persons were murdered by Atheists in the 20th century, can
only be explained by your Atheism.

Another Ray lie, I did not ignore that statement because you never made
that statement. You stated that the deathtoll was 1,000,000 million,
which is so obviously ludicrous that it should be ignored.

I am quite relieved that your kind needs to slander me as a liar;

As I never spoke it would not be slander but libel, however calling a
person a liar by actually demonstrating his lies is not libel, it is
truth, which is the one sure way to refute an accusation of libel.

Since you are an Atheist

Incorrect.

and I am a Christian

A highly dubious claim backed by no discernible evidence.

I am not the least bit
concerned with you calling me a liar.

Which is more evidence that you are most likely not a christian and are
biblically illiterate.

Anyone can scroll back and see
how you have completely blown out of proportion an honest typo that
was corrected in the next post.

Actually that is a lie. Anyone can scroll back and see how you admitted
no error, did not correct you error and simply insisted your first
statement was correct.

Here let me post the two pertinent commets of yours again, just so we
don't lose focus;

"Atheist regimes in the 20th century murdered at least 100,000,000
million persons."

"I said one hundred million."

logically, based on the ugly facts of Atheist inflicted genocide, it
means I have spoken the truth. Your slander is equivalent to murder in
this situation since you cannot carry out the latter in this case.

I didn't slander you as my communication was written, so libel is your
only valid accusationeven if what you suggest is the truth, which it
obviously, and demonstrably, is not.. So as I am not guilty of the first
part of your accusation, I cannot be guilty of the second. It seems
however that as you have incorrectly accused me of slander and have
comprehensively failed to make your case, it seems that in your heart
you are the murderer.

In addition, since you are also a Darwinist

Nope, I do not worship Darwin, nor his theory, and more than you worship
Newton because you accept his explanation of gravity.


All Atheists worship Darwin.

Actually it is far more likely that none of them do.

It is not a matter of opinion. Literature is bursting at the seems
with books praising the man who refuted the existence of God.

Literature is bursting at the seams with books praising Newton too, very
few people worship him. I also take it that you conflate praise with
worship. in which case you do worship Gene Scott and the Apostle Paul,
which makes you an idolator.

And Darwin did not refute the existance of god, that is an
impossibliity, just as you cannot refute the existence of Thor.

Denying
only shows the public and confirms that Atheists are brazen liars or
extremely deluded.

Well this thread shows that one of us is that way and I rather suspect
posterity will show it to be you. Just look upthread for your lie about
how many people atheists supposedly killed in the 20th C and your
delusion that you have somehow corrected your error.

I worship a Man who walked the Earth at one time;

Charles Darwin walked the earth at one time.

I suggest that you
admit the obvious and face yourself.

I tried facing myself, but not being a contortionist gave up. No wonder
you are so angry all the time, if you are constantly trying to face
yourself.

we know that you practice
the Marxist rationale that the ends (evolution veracity) justifies the
means (lying).

As it is you who is the demonstrable liar in this thread and others,
then it seems that you are the one that believes that lying for jesus is
ok. However you even fall short of that less than lofty ideal, as you
merely lie to protect Ray Martinez. What is really sad is that you feel
the need to lie over such a trivial mistake, that, as another poster
pointed out, has been made by at least one other in the newsgroup.


Glenn pointed out the typo (up-thread). Why have you not acted like
him?

I have acted like him I also pointed it out, see just above. and it was
not a typo, it was the inclusion of a whole superfluous word or a
superfluous number.

And for the third time Ray runs away from the hard questions, preferring
to focus on his own limitations rather than address the issue at hand.
The very issue he claims I am running away from. So here is another Ry
delusion. But let us restore the questions and see if Ray is man
enouught or Christian enough to face up to them;

And after accusing me of ignoring your arguments about genocide, which
are impossible to address as they are so ludicrous, you completely
ignore the qustion i asked you, and have asked a number of
creationists/theists who have presented more rational versions of your
argument. I will ask it again;

Is a person who kills a small percentage of a large population--I.e. Mao
killing, say 10% of 800 million chinese--worse than those that killed
100% of a small population--I.e. those that killed all 10,000 or so
Tasmanian aboriginals.

If so why?

If not, why do you imagine that pointing out what you consider to be
atheist inspired genocides is a valid argument against the religion
inspired genocides that have actually eradicated entire tribes and races
of people?

Lets see if you will ignore this for the third [now fourth] time in this
thread.

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