Re: The CSI Challenge of snex

On Jul 2, 4:08 pm, Seanpit <seanpitnos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Jul 2, 12:52 pm, s...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Victor Eijkhout) wrote:



Seanpit <seanpitnos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Signal C:

31415926535897932384626433832795 . . .
You see, Signal C is both complex and specified relative to a pattern
that is very very unlikely to be produced by any natural source of
radiosignals beyond a certain relatively low threshold number of
character positions (i.e., complexity).

Sean, take a square box of side 1 (foot, meter, whatever) and place a
cardboard ring in it that touches the sides. Now start throwing pingpong
balls from a distance so that their location in the box is more or less
random. The ratio between the balls landing in the circle and outside it
will be pi. The more balls you throw, the more digits.

Ok, that's not a radio signal, but it's a very simple physical process,
no intelligence involved.

That's just it. It isn't a radiosignal. Different materials and
methods have different parameters for the investigation of artifact.

If I were an experimental physicist I could
probably come up with a radio equivalent of it.

If the *irregularities* of a radiosignal, as with the dots and dashes
of Morse Code, produced a long series of prime numbers or Pi or
something along these lines, you can bet such a finding would be
recognized by SETI scientists as clear evidence of artifact.

you do realize that every single finite sequence of numbers you can
come up with appears *somewhere* in pi, dont you?


Maybe instead of waving your hands you should do what ID has been
promising for year: actually *prove* that something is specified
complex. For whatever definition of specificity and complexity, as long
as you come up with at least *some* definition.

These words have different meanings in different contexts, as I've
explained extensively in this forum and on my website. A functional
definition is from the perspective of a particular type of function
system. From this perspective, the function in question requires a
certain minimum number of parts in a rather specific arrangement
before that function can be realized at all. The minimum number of
parts and degree of specific arrangement of the parts is a measure of
the function's "complexity".

When it comes to radiosignals and granite rocks, however, complexity
means something very different. In this context, "complexity" really
means a certain number of "irregularities". In other words, all the
characters are not the same. The term "specificity", in this context,
means that the irregularities match a pre-determined pattern of
irregularities to a certain degree. Not all pattern matches indicate
ID. It depends upon the material in question as to what kind of CSI
can be used to detect artifact. A particular type of CSI pattern that
works very well for one type of material may not work for another type
of material. This is why research and at least some experience with
the material in question is needed before the concept of CSI can be
adequately applied to detect the workings of deliberate artifact vs.
the possibility of non-deliberate natural processes.

Victor.
Victor Eijkhout -- eijkhout at tacc utexas edu

Sean Pitmanwww.DetectingDesign.com


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