Re: R. Forrest: common rat

On Jun 30, 2:08 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 29, 6:17 pm, Will in New Haven



<bill.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 29, 7:11 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 29, 3:45 pm, geop...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Jun 29, 11:30 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 29, 3:23 pm, snex <s...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 29, 5:13 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Richard Forrest has a nasty habit of calling Creationists liars.

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/43c47f3198434e57

Forrest speaking about S. Pitman:

"So basically, he's just a typically dishonest creationist who
dogmatically refuses to learn anything and thinks that if he writes
stuff that looks scientific, he can fool other creationists into
thinking that he has valid arguments."

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/e3f18179ce30b4ac?

Forrest speaking about me:

"Ray, after the persistent dishonestly you demonstrate on this forum,
and no doubt elsewhere, perhaps you should consider if you should
show
your face here."

We also know that Forrest routinely claims that lies persist rampantly
on Creationist websites.

We know Richard Forrest is an Atheist-evolutionist, and we know that
he actually believes apes morphed into men over the course of millions
of years. He also believes that a magnificent nature shows no signs of
Intelligence but was produced by something that has no mind. Forrest
believes crude Stone Age tools and shelters are "evidence" of early
quasi-ape men but the arm and hand that supposedly crafted these tools
is not the product of design. Forrest thinks bat sonar and
echolocation was produced incrementally, leaving the flying creature
unable to conduct its business in its natural habitat of lightless
caves, until a blind and mindless natural selection got around to
completing the task. And the human eye, Forrest believes - the most
obvious irreducible complex organ of all - was also formed
incrementally with no Designer involved.

We know for a fact that the Stone Age never existed. Genesis says Cain
built a "city" and not some A frame mud hut with a rock tied to a
piece of wood. Man was created ultra-intelligent. The Great Pyramid -
the only true World Wonder - from top to bottom; inside and out;
proves this claim and falisfies the existence of a Stone Age. We know
it is impossible for a sonar apparatus to have been built
incrementally by something that has no mind or consciousness. And we
know the human eye is formed in the womb (and not over milions of
years) by wondrous mechanisms invented by God.

In view of these facts I feel no insult whatsoever in being called a
liar by Richard Forrest. His disapproval is the best endorsement of my
honesty. Anytime a person who believes what he believes, and denies
what he denies, thinks I am a liar, this is the very best evidence
that I am not. Common sense says persons who believe the things that
Forrest believes should not be going around calling anyone a liar.

Ray

ancient books are not evidence of anything other than the fact that
people wrote books a long time ago.- Hide quoted text -

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I am well aware of the tenets of conventional Atheist ideology - what
is your point?

He just made the point, Ray. You ad hommed him instead. It's only a
one line point, Ray, it's not that hard: do you think snex is correct,
or not, and why?

We know Atheists believe the Bible is not evidence, this is common
sense, are you a teenager? Come on and tell us the truth?

Your posts show a naivete conducive with the mind of a teenager. What
grade are you in?

Lots of people who are not athiests deny the concept that the bible is
evidence for anything.

Logically, they are Atheists then since Christians support the Bible
and are known to die for its propagation. It appears your "logic" is
perverted at best or non-existent altogether.

There are many people in the world who are neither christians nor
atheists. There are a great many Muslims and Hundus in the world, for
example. Do you accept the Rig-Veda as evidence, the Bagghavad Gita,
al-Koran?


You just don't like being called a liar when
you lie. You could stop lying, you know.

Does your "opinion" have anything to do with the fact that you are an
Atheist and I am a Christian? Or the fact that you are an Evolutionist
and I am a Creationist?

My opinion has to do with your numerous lies. I know many christians
and, for the most part, they are among the most honest people I know.
When one of them says something counter-factual it is because she or
he sincerely believes it to be true. They are wrong but they are not
lying. You lie all the fucking time Even if you said something that
happened to be correct, you would be lying. For practice.

Denying design is the only evidence that we need to know that you are
a liar and an Atheist. If any Christian denies design then they are
plainly declaring to the world they are a liar and a closet Atheist.

I never claimed to be a christian. Denying that there is hard evidence
for design is not denying the possibility of design. If you believe in
design, for whatever reason, it doesn't make you a liar. When you
claim to have evidence for design you are either mistaken or lying. I
would normally take the charitable line of thinking you mistaken but
your constant cries of liar when you hear something you disagree with
have made me think you know lying from the inside all too well.


I am sure that you are a
sincere believer but it is wrong to lie, even to promote what you
believe to be a higher truth.

There may well be something beyond the reach of scientific knowledge.
The joke is that thousands of different people claim that they know
what that is. And they have hundred and hundreds of different
answers.

It is a _mystery_, Ray, and that stupid book doesn't give you any real
answers. That's because the metaphysical, if it exists, is a mystery.
And you don't know anything more about it than I do. Except I know
that I don't know.

Will in New Haven

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I believe in a higher power. Squared is a higher power. Cubed is a
higher power.

The Atheist mind: pure nonsense and unable to see it since he actually
wrote the previous comments under the assumption that they are
intelligent and sensible.

You're a fool. You believe in a god who would first create a world
where many intelligent, well-meaning people could miss the evidence
of god and then punish them with hell for missing it. Your god is a
vicious cartoon character whose only reason for existance is to verify
your shrill hatred of everyone who disagrees with you. Truly, you have
created god in your own image.

When are you finishing that paper?

Will in New Haven

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"I have seen the David, seen the Mona Lisa too
And I have heard Doc Watson play Columbus Stockade Blues"
Guy Clark - "Dublin Blues"


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