Re: evolution is an incomplete premise

On Jun 30, 7:37 pm, Dale Kelly <THIS_IS_A_SPAMT...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
all of evolution depends on a non-intervention model, it implies a chain
of cause and effect which is left alone, unless you are ready to deal
with the issue of determinism, you cannot justify evolution as a premise

determinists believe that all events in reality are preordained by
previous causes

if you believe in finite time, or discontinuous time, you would have to
agree the first cause of any continuity would be indeterminate, quantum
uncertainty does not mean quantum indeterminancy, there is a BIG
difference between uncertain and random, I am willing to take this
argument on with ANYONE, quantum mechanics have an uncertainty, NOT an
indeterminancy, SO, you LOSE in these time scenarios

if you believe in an infinite continuum of time, you face the same
argument at the limit of negative infinity, so you LOSE here too

that leaves cyclical time, the last effect in a cycle has to equate to
the first cause of the next cycle, in physics you cannot represent a
cycle without reversing the polarity of the force you are talking about,
SO, you LOSE here too

--
Dalehttp://www.vedantasite.org
see website for real email address

You're looking too far into it.

The ToE is what it is regardless of what the first cause was and how
causality works in our universe/all universes.

.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: evolution is an incomplete premise
    ... with the issue of determinism, you cannot justify evolution as a premise ... uncertainty does not mean quantum indeterminancy, ... if you believe in an infinite continuum of time, ... the last effect in a cycle has to equate to ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: evolution is an incomplete premise
    ... with the issue of determinism, you cannot justify evolution as a premise ... uncertainty does not mean quantum indeterminancy, ... the last effect in a cycle has to equate to ... Lets roll up this news group, tell Hawking the news, ...
    (talk.origins)
  • Re: Strong AI Thesis (No Chinese room, I promise)
    ... Quantum mechanics. ... are unmistakeable - no hidden variables. ... causality where the evidence does not seem to support it. ... We have experience, much of it supporting determinism, (I'm not disagreeing ...
    (comp.ai.philosophy)
  • Algoritmu
    ... Quantum randomness may not be random ... physicists would say, is the unavoidable lesson of quantum theory. ... physicists could believe in determinism, the idea of a world unfolding ... of everything from alpha particles to Z bosons. ...
    (soc.culture.romanian)
  • Re: The Road with no Branches argument
    ... The quantum indeterminacy in the position of an atom ... which can amplify quantum events. ... you to infer determinism from unpredictability? ...
    (sci.logic)