Re: Re: Evolution Vs. Creationism Debate Finished

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On Jun 28, 2:38 pm, Dave Fritzinger <dfrit...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 28, 11:25 am, m...@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Jun 26, 11:23 am, trickya...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

There is no point in debating weather or not evolution is correct. It
is. The book of Genesis has been debunked by science

Do you expect everyone to believe this?

and

astrophysicists have proven that the only way in which the planet
Earth has been create.

You sound incoherent here. You must have been in a hurry.

Biologists have also used genetics, fossils,

and the appearance of vestigial structures in many organisms. How
stupid do you have to be to think a organism named "God" created
humans and all biotic and a-biotic factors.

Interestingly enough cosmologists have known for a long time that the
center of the big bang points to this area. But some of them have
been trying to suppress it or to provide substitute reasons as to why
our observations are supposedly wrong. Why is this? Edwin Hubble
said that there must be no favored location in our universe.

That sounds like a philosophical reason, not one based on
observation.

JM

John, try to imagine that you are sitting on the surface of a balloon,
along with a bunch of your friends. Now, as the balloon is blown up,
it will expand in all directions. And (and this is the part that makes
you look really stupid), no matter where you are on the balloon, it
looks as if you are at the center, since all your friends will appear
to be moving away from you (though it is possible that happens
whenever you start talking). Do you understand how wrong you were in
your statement above yet?

That's retardizmo.

You are retarded, we know that McClueless. Your years of usenet posts
have proved that beyond any reasonable doubt.

Sounds like you give up and now your last stand hinges on name-
calling.

You make it so easy McClueless. There really are not many on usenet as
retarded as you.




Let me explain. I can do a computer similation
and put coins on the outside of the balloon. And, secondly I can
manipulate our situation to any position within that ballon.

Not the same thing moron. Do at least TRY to keep up.

And I
can gurantee that you would see a different angle and feel to anything
that is in the balloon. Secondly this is a poor analogy.

Actually, no it isn't. It is the most common analogy used because it
is such a good one.

It's a bad one because everything in the balloon is pressurized.

It is a good one because it explains, using the two dimensional
surface of the balloon, a concept which few people have trouble seeing
in 3d.

The
universe is not pressurized. And secondly galaxies are not coins and
thermodynamics should spread every star out. That's physics.

McClueless, you know full well that you do not understand physics, nor
any other science for that matter. Where you get the idea that
thermodynamics should spread every star out is beyond me, it is just
another example of your stupidity.




For one,
the assumption is made in regard to a "red shift." Objects receding
from you turn red and at great velocities the further these objects
are.

Yes, the further the object is away from us the redder the sift.

Objects that are approaching you turn blue.

Correct.

If there are no
blue objects that supposedly means that everything is moving away from
you.

There are blue objects (extra-galactic that is) at the last count it
was about 100. Just about all of them are in the "Local Group" where
gravity holds the group together to a greater extent.

And for this reason, for some reason Stephen Hawkings and other
cosmologists say that the apparent effect of all their data add up to
the fact that the universe appears to be receding away from us .
Hubble was so upset with this notion that he said that there must be
NO "favored" spot in the universe. Why did he say that?

Because he was 100% correct McClueless. Just as the balloon experiment
shows.

Look, here are five galaxies, A to E.

A--B--C--D--E

Now lets expand space a little.

A------B------C------D------E

If you look at the expansion from the point of view of a person in
galaxy C the both B and D have moved away from you at the same speed,
while A and E have moved away much faster. But now consider it from
the viewpoint of someone in galaxy B. To them C and A have moved away
at the same speed while D is moving faster and E is just streaking
away.

This is a one dimensional view of the two dimensional balloon allusion
to the real three dimensional world. It shows that it doesn't matter
which of the galaxies you live in the universe will appear to be
expanding with you at the centre. And that, McClueless, is why Hubble
correctly stated that there is no "favoured" spot in the universe.

About 15 billion years ago our universe winked into existence. Almost
instantly space started to expand - very, very fast - in fact many
times the speed of light. This "Inflation Period" lasted from 10-35
seconds and 10-32 seconds after the Big Bang. The portion of the
universe that we can see expanded from nothing to about 300,000 light
years across in the incredibly small period of time, but so, of
course, did the rest of the universe as well.

Your ignorance of this subject would be surprising in this day and age
if it wasn't for the fact that I know you have been taught all this
before. So it is not ignorance, but rather the usual McClueless
stupidity causing the problem.

JM

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--
Bob.

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