Re: Genome

Tony Raymonds wrote:
In article <ZEngi.63$Ra5.40@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Stephen Trapani <fahgetaboutit@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes
We don't have software that can recognize dirt on food and clean it? I believe we do.

Moving goalposts. That wasn't what was at question, it was whether software could work how to wash food from scratch - not whether such abilities could be pre-programmed in.

> There are only a few behaviors of primates that do not exist in lower
> animals.

And the ability to think, solve problems and come up with novel solutions is one of them. Your reasoning just comes down to this:

1) Conscious beings have ideas

2) Humans have ideas

3) Animals only have instinct

4)Therefore anything that looks like an idea from a non-human must be
pre-programmed

5)Therefore only humans are conscious

The faulty logic is step 3 and you have been shown several examples of animals solving problems and coming up with novel solutions way beyond instinct. You can assert that animal cannot come up with ideas all you like but it doesn't make it true.

You have mis-stated my position. I have no step 3 or step 4. Here is my position (again):

There have been no examples of animals coming up with novel solutions way beyond instinct, only barely beyond instinct *maybe.* In other words, it's so close to known instinctive behavior, it's hard to tell the difference, and maybe it is just a more complex instinctive behavior, slightly more complex progamming could easily be the explanation for these behaviors.

In the entire animal world there is *not one* bonafide, clear cut original idea where we can say it's a first on earth. Where we can say, it can't be programming. Meanwhile humans have had literally billions.

Stephen

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