Re: Bible, Evolution, TEism: Ray v. the Mob

On Jun 12, 8:22 pm, Stile4aly <stile4...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 12, 7:34 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Jun 12, 6:39 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Ray Martinez" <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Jun 12, 2:15 pm, "Tiny Bulcher" <RSGD9...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
þus cwæð Ray Martinez:

SNIP....

I understand perfectly, kemo sabe. Talking of specifics, I do hope that
your
forthcoming and eagerly-awaited paper, will, as part of your recently
announced conversion to anti-microevolutionism, refute, in detail, each
and
every example of speciation that has been observed and documented both in
the wild and under experimental conditions? I asked this once before, but
recieved no reply. I can post a list of same, if you like, so that you
can
make a start on it. Because unless you can explain each and every one of
those events, your attempt to disprove microevolution is doomed to
failure.

This makes you and Ken Ham on the same side.

How so? Ham is one of yours....

Ham accepts microevolution, just like you do. I know for a fact that
microevolution is false, there is no evidence for the claim.

Bulcher and Ham agree on evolution, nice couple.

Ray, do you even have a clue as to what you are claiming?

Dana, Bulcher and Ken Ham, what do they these Fundamentalists have in
common?

Answer: they all believe in microevolution?

DJT

Hang on, you're now saying *microevolution* is impossible?

Yes, in case you have not heard I have changed my position. My
research into evolutionary claims/evidence has shown that
microevolution has not occurred. Before, like most persons, I simply
accepted micro because if one does not they are a heretic. Now that I
have personally looked into the matter for some five years now the
evidence has convinced me that no evolution of any kind has occurred
in this biosphere.


That's
such an extreme statement that I know of no other creationist that
makes it.

Negative, there are other Creationists who reject any kind of
evolution too.

You're aware that microevolution is something as simple as
a single point mutation in a genome. Are you claiming that DNA is
immutable, or that changes in DNA can't be passed on?


Citation please?

But for the sake of argument not everyone agrees with a "molecular-
based" definition of evolution. "A change in gene frequencies" is
extreme reductionism; or "upward" reasoning so to speak. Any
definition of evoution must incorporate Darwin's original mutability
claim, the historic description, and paleobiological.

Ray



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Relevant Pages

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