Re: Is Weightlifting Enough?

On Jun 12, 3:06 pm, sheldo...@xxxxxxx wrote:
On Jun 12, 1:33 pm, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 12, 12:53 pm, sheldo...@xxxxxxx wrote:

On Jun 12, 7:57 am, Kermit <unrestrained_h...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 12, 7:38 am, j.wilki...@xxxxxxxxx (John Wilkins) wrote:

Kermit <unrestrained_h...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 11, 10:58 pm, j.wilki...@xxxxxxxxx (John Wilkins) wrote:
Kermit <unrestrained_h...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Beer has a high glycemic index. High glycemic index foods raise blood
sugar rapidly, leading to insulin dumps, adult onset diabetes,
progressively worse hunger cravings, especially for similar foods.
Drink red wine instead.

Why do you hate me? I can't drink red wine. Migraines.

OK. Do what I do - eat red grapes and drink vodka...

One shot of vodka in grapefruit juice - a greyhound - is my occasional
dessert at the end of the day. Wine in general gives me a tummy ache :
(

Don't like grapes. I think I'll stick with the beer and the large gut...
on this topic, I'll believe Glenn.\

Creationist!

In my reply to him, I was going to add:

Think of the environment in which we evolved, and the diet we adapted
to over several million years..

Which diet is that?

No milk after weaning. The jury is out on whether milk is OK for we
postmodern humans (heh) who still produce lactase as adults. I use non-
fat milk with whole-grain cereal and such.

No grains. Plucking grass seeds and grinding them up and then cooking
them would have been too much trouble for hunter gatherers. We didn't
start eating grains in significant amounts until after agriculture -
very recently in our evolutionary history.

Tough-to-chew, nutrient-rich fruit, roots, tubers, stalks, leaves,
etc. The precursors to what we see in our grocery stores.

Meat, and probably it was fairly large portions of our caloric intake.
But these were not McFat burgers picked up at the drive-thru window.
These were critters that we spent 3 hours - or three days - running to
the ground. We were lean and mean; they were lean and desperate. Also
termites, beetles, ants, snails, and such.

I think you've spent too much time watching Daniel Boone reruns.

Daniel Boone was not paleolithic, when we did most of our evolving.

Your
notion of prehistoric man and eating healthy is romantic, but ill
founded.

Paleo-grandpa didn't eat healthy because he wanted to; he ate healthy
because that's what his ancestor ate for several million years. It
may be that big game was a fairly recent development, but I'm guessing
it started once we became proper runners. That was still well over a
million years ago.

I am pointing out that eating healthy for us means eating like they
did as much as reasonably possible. Also exercising a lot. Couch
potatoes are not medically normal, even if they are the social norm
today.

Humans will eat just about anything if they are hungry
enough.

And probably once one is really hungry several times, one doesn't have
to be so hungry again to eat what's available. Especially if one is
raised that way, yes.

And when food is a commodity, humans will eat and drink most
everything. Many animals are high in saturated and unsaturated fats,
organs, brains were eaten,

This is true. May I point out that wild pigs and cows and antelope are
not as fat as today's farm animals? Paleo-grandpa ate lots of fibrous
plant food, and he worked out a lot more than 99.9% of us do.

Today's marathoners are pretty lean, and I doubt it's because they're
dieting.

and I suspect that animal milk was consumed
when available.

I'm having a hard time picturing how folks milked wild cape buffalo.
Do you have a cite for that?

Their diet was most likely *not* lean.

Cites?

And humans have
eaten all sorts of nuts and grass, hunter/gatherers no different.

Not much grass. Altho there were those brownies back in the sixties...

There's nothing wrong with grains, even white bread and flour.

So you're suggesting old stone age folks picked up the occasional
snack at Krispy Kreme Donuts rather than test the leaves on local
plants to see if they were edible?

The secret is in our intelligence, not in what our ancestors did.

As brilliant as you are Glen, as far as nutrition goes, your genes are
pretty much the same as homo erectus.

And
that is to use it, and realize that excess is the problem, for one.

Excess is very difficult to achieve if one is active enough and and
eats right.

Nothing in excess, in addition to avoiding wierd chemicals added to
our food. Don't worry about or pay any attention to the advice that
shifts like the wind about carbs, protein and fats. Eat whatever you
want, forget about bitching about MacDonalds, don't eat too much of
anything, try new foods and eat a variety, and stay busy.

<shrug> I was doing that. I also was developing pre-diabetc syndrome
and had too-high LDL levels. Altho I wasn't very fat (20 lbs?) I lost
12 pounds in 12 weeks when I started eating better (South Beach Diet).
More inportantly my blood glucose levels have stabilized again, and my
running endurance has easily doubled over the last several years -
presumably from avoiding those insulin slumps after eating.

I'll have my blood chemistry done in a few months, but the differences
are striking.

Don't hurt
your body by running marathons like you think our ancestors did, or
lifting heavy weights, just stay active.

I never ran more than 10 miles or so at a time; I'm too heavily built
to be a good runner. Now I'm heavier and with a bad knee, I rarely run
over three miles.

As for lifting, I'm twice as strong as I was in my twenties - I'm 56 -
and I'm not going to give it up. You lift nothing heavier than a milk
jug, and in a decade or two you won't be able to lift anything
heavier.




But then I remembered to whom I was posting, and decided that it was a
nice change of pace to just learn from him, and leave it at that.

http://www.primates.com/chimps/drunk-n-disorderly.html

So, drink your beer, but only while jogging. Dr. George Sheehan, the
running cardiologist, would drink beer to hydrate while jogging (he
was a master runner in middle distances). On a summer day, he would go
thru a six-pack on a ten mile run.

Now that is plum wierd.

Yeah. He knew running, and he knew cardiology, but most folks suggest
lots of water instead, and maybe a beer after the race.

I drink to relax and get a buzz.

Most folks do. My occasional evening greyhound is so.

A ten mile run doesn't hit me as
relaxing or getting a buzz.

Really? When I ran regularly, it took me about 25 minutes to get
runner's high. vive miles maybe, after which it was smooth sailing.
Usually.

And beer doesn't hydrate a runner.

No, not really. I think Dr. Sheehan just liked his beer.


Or hike instead. It's *almost as good; it just takes longer. Mind the
crocs

Do chimps hike?

Not the *other chimps. We adapted to a lifestyle of covering lots of
ground, remember? This may be the real advantage we had over the
neanderthals. They walked; we jogged. But we can walk, too. I advise
it for most non-athletes who want to avoid getting sick from
inactivity.

Well, humans certainly have needed to maintain activity as far back as
your imagination takes you. Not for the health aspects, but out of
necessity, whether they be called "hunter/gatherers" or "farmers". And
still do.

Which is why most of us do not have a deep-seated need to exercise. I
do; but I understand that I'm unusual in that respect. Paleo-grandpa
worked or starved.

So my advice wouldn't be to tell someone they need to walk,
but rather that they need to stay purposefully active.

Doing what? Some folks are disinclined to be physically active, and
may have limited time. There are many activities which are exhausting,
but which have little benefit as exercise.

And some folks want to be more. With them, I discus weights and
running and stretching and all that stuff.

Not be lazy.
There are endless things to do to be productive. And that advice makes
more sense to people, than to say you need to walk a mile a day to
lose weight and stay healthy. It doesn't work when you get back and
sit on the couch for the rest of the day.

Hmmm. I'm a computer geek. The most exercise I get on the job is
waling to the other end of the mill to check a network node or glare
at a printer. And until my daughter went off to school, she took up a
lot of time.

Folks with lives these days are pressed for time, and often do best
with an efficient way to use their limited time, and also to keep
track of how well they're doing. If you get enough simply "being
active:, good for you. But it's my experience that as people get busy
with job and family, if they are disinclined to work themselves
physically anyway, they will quickly become unhealthy by the time they
are my age. I see a lot of fat farmers and factory workers.

Couch potatoes know they
aren't being productive, and when you tell them they need to be
productive to stay heathy, that has a much better chance of sinking in
and being the cause of a change in lifestyle than telling them to
walk. Walking for it's own reward is not productive.

Maintaining a network with 50 PCs, four servers, and two dozen
printers isn't productive? It's certainly not doing anything for my
health. If folks don't already know how to do it, telling them to "be
productive" won't do it.

And if consider running marathons or lifting heavy weights to be
overdoing it, then I suspect you don't have any idea, either. We're
made to work a *lt harder thanmost doctors are yet willing to admit to
themselves. Thsoe that do know it's a losing proposition trying to
tell their patients to get fiv vigorous hours of exercise a week. If
they can get those folks up and walking for three 30 minute sessions,
they've improved their lives. But it's not really enough.

Kermit

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