Re: Real Scholarship

On Jun 11, 3:05 pm, m...@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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Silly plonker. The formation is natural, it has nothing whatsoever to
do with Ron 'The Con' Wyatt.

There has been no scientific study written that proves that.

Except for:

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html


In case
you're going to cite Lorence Collin's Article, you need to know that
it wasn't published in a professional hard geology publication,

It was, however, published in a scientific journal, which is more than
Wyatt ever even attempted.

and
second, he repudiated his view, namely, his view that the site was
folded rock called a syncline.

Where is there evidence the "repudiated" this view?


You're quite wrong on that ol' chap. '

Like usual, it's you who is wrong, yet again. Also, see:

Guner, Y., 1986, Is Noah's ark on Mt. Ararat? Geomorphological
development on
the Dogubayazit-Telceker landslide which is assumed to be related to
Noah's Ark: Jeomorfoloji, Dergisi, v. 14, p. 27-37.

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Was the expedition organized and led by Ron 'The Con' Wyatt? Yes or
No?

Before I answer that question, let me ask you a question. Is guilt by
association a logic fallacy?

Yes, and no matter how many times you use it, it's still a fallacy.
Note that what Bob is doing is not "guilt by association". Bob is
pointing out that it was Wyatt's expedition, and anyone's actions at
the site are Wyatt's responsibility.

let me ask another question, did Ron
Wyatt own the molecular frequency generator?

That doesn't matter. He used it in his "results", which queers the
whole deal.


Now, yes, Ron Wyatt did purchase the tickets and David Fasold wanted
Wyatt to bring him to the site. So what of it?

It means that Wyatt didn't use science, he used wishful thinking.
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Oh dear, how can such a stupid person as you manage to survive outside
an institution?

Just above you used the "guilt by association" logic error and you
expect anyone to buy that?

No, he did not. It's not association with Fashold that taints Wyatt,
it's his lack of scientific regimen.






I guess you're stuck in the Egyptian bronze age but you need
to expand your awareness.

You are the one stuck McClueless - stuck with utter stupidity.

And so what if you cling to a logic error. I guess that is OK.

Your entire case is built on logical fallacies.

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Sorry McClueless, you can stamp you feet all you want but the experts
can, and have. All you need to do is go to this websitehttp://www.ironsmelting.net/www/smelting/index.htmlandclick on
"history" in the left hand column. It just couldn't be easier.

There is no consensus on the origin of iron.

There is a consensus, however on when the "iron age" began. The
amount of iron supposedly used by your Noah is impossible to account
for before the technology to smelt iron was invented.

There is only the
discussion of the widespread use and proliferation of iron.

And it post dates the supposed "Ark" by thousands of years.

As told
you before, primitive African tribes have been known to practice
metallurgy.

Having learned it from others who had already invented it.

The use of iron is a rather obscure thing, and it's use
has been documented as far as 4000 years ago.

Use of small scale native iron from meterorites, yes. The widespread
use of large amounts of iron was only possible for the last few
thousand years. The amount of iron you claim to be in the "Ark" is
too much to have existed.




I
have a picture of native African tribesman working with his primitive
foundry.

So?

It's important to know because you CANNOT trace the use of iron.

But you can trace the widespread use and manufacture of iron.
Smelting iron is difficult, and leaves behind lots of evidence. The
amounts of iron needed vastly outstrips the ability of bronze age
technology to produce.


These tribes have no written documentation. There is no paper trail.

Yet those tribes undoubtedly derived their iron working techniques
from other cultures who had already invented iron smelting. You
can't simply point out that modern day low technology tribes use iron
to mean that iron making is a low technology skill.






None of this has been documented

Of course they have.

Sure, and I'll go to the remote African tribes and ask access to
their libraries.

What has been documented is the spread of iron smelting technology
developed after the bronze age.






and there is no paper
trail. Every historian agrees that you can't establish the beginning
date of the use of iron.

Use of iron, no. That goes way back into pre-history. Use of large
amounts of iron, which requires smelting, that only started in the
very late bronze age - 20 centuries after your mythical Noah.

How much iron is dependent upon how much one works to produce it. An
African guy need only produce a hammer or some nails and that's all
he'll need. That's all he'll make. A person like Noah may need
more, so he goes to Tubal Cain and asks him to make a lot and sell it
to him, to which Tubal Cain goes "cha-ching."

What evidence do you have that "Tubal Cain" even existed, much less
had access to large amount of iron? Also, why didn't Noah take
Tubal on the boat with him, or why didn't Tubal make his own boat, if
he had access to that much iron? Where is the evidence of
pre-"flood" iron making industries? Where is the charcoal pits, the
vast amounts of slag, etc?



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So Ron 'The Con' Wyatt never mounted an expedition?

Sir, your error is guilt by association.

No, his only error is attempting to talk sense to you.

The real question is, has
there been a pattern of iron found on Noah's Ark.

The answer to that is "no". There is no "Noah's Ark" and no known
"pattern of iron" identified as such. Some questionable metal
detector readings, dowsing rods, and botched GPR don't make a "pattern
of iron".

You haven't
answered that question.

It's been answered many times over. You just don't like the
conclusion.


snip what was ignored.

DJT

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