Re: So what do Catholics believe about Exogenesis?


"Nic" <harrisondalen@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:1179968963.222765.160790@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 23 May, 23:59, "Perplexed in Peoria" <jimmene...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote [to rappaccio]:
I agree that the concept of a literal Fall, necessitating a Redemption, and
operating by means of Vicarious Atonement is absurd. Not physically absurd -
you really haven't made that case as far as I can tell - but morally
absurd. It is a Christology invented by one weird dude who saw nothing
strange in the notion that the sins of the father should be visited upon
the sons, nor that guilt creates a blood-debt which must be paid before
forgiveness is possible. It is an insane story. But I thought you were
going to say something to the effect that it contradicts what we know from
biology. As far as I can tell, you haven't really done this.

You are right, but I note that you had to allow the church its dualism
on the mind body problem in order to disconnect the ideas of
theological and biological humanity. Still don't know if rappoccio
would go along with playing them by their own rules to that extent.

If you take this route, isn't it odd that theological humanness should
be biologically heritable?

No more odd than that guilt should be heritable. Which is to say, it is
friggin' bonkers.

What possible theological point would
there be for that? Can't the sins of the fathers be no less absurdly
visited on the uncle of a boy who stole a penknife from the only shop
in the high street never entered by the fathers?

The truly odd thing about the Judaeo-Christian notion of heritable guilt
is that it only makes sense in a materialist-evolutionist world-view.
Because if you really want to punish (and the Tit-for-tat analysis convinces
me that punishment is sometimes what you ought to want to do) then if
you can't apply enough punishment from the perpetrator himself, you
really ought to apply it to the offspring. After all, evolutionary theory
leads us to the conclusion that our real 'interests' lie in our offspring,
so punishing the offspring really IS additional punishment to the perpetrator.

And materialism claims that, since there is no immortality, there are no
other interests. So, I suspect that the concept of heritable guilt is in
our genes, however much we struggle to get it out of our heads.

.

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