Re: Core beliefs

On 15 May 2007 07:48:19 -0700, eroot@xxxxxxxx wrote:

On May 13, 6:44 pm, Zoe <muz...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 13 May 2007 01:20:31 GMT, John Harshman

<jharshman.diespam...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Zoe wrote:


(snip)

Do I have these positions pegged right? If not, I'll hear about it,
I'm sure.

Yes, you will. You have none of these positions pegged right. All three
of them are strawmen.

are you saying that evolutionists who believe in God are strawmen?

Of course he isn't saying that. Please maintain a modicum of
honesty. He's saying it's a strawman to say that evolutionists who
believe in God are straddling some fence because of problems with the
concept of suffering, instead of because that's what the evidence
points to and besides, they like science.

maybe they should speak for themselves so neither you nor I get them
wrong. I suggested a reason. If you have another reason, correct me
from your own personal basis.

In any event, you cannot use "that's what the evidence points to" as
the core belief, because it is this very evidence that is interpreted
through the filter of our core beliefs. The evidence and the core
belief cannot be the same thing.

I'm betting you have certain core beliefs that you bring to the
evidence that causes you to point in a certain direction, Eric.

That evolutionists who do not believe in any god are strawmen?

Of course not, you, in all due respect, doofus. The strawman is your
characterization of _why_ they are evolutionists. They are
evolutionists because with evolution, science is an elegant ballet of
parts that swing together in a coordinated manner.

are you speaking for "them" or for yourself?

With creationism,
it's a blindfolded football player attempting to tapdance with one
foot in a swim flipper and the other in a snowshoe.

Um-hum.

And
that creationists who believe in God are strawmen? In what ways are
they strawmen, please?

Bzzt. You lose.

I'm not in this to win or lose.

.

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