Re: Criticism of philosophical materialism (and a comment on someone2)


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On May 4, 11:33 am, "Robert Barstead" <barste...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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"urthogie" <urtho...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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7. If subjective experience were physical (e.g. waves energy
particles, anything physical), it would violate the First Law of
Thermodynamics because it would be something (whatever it might be,
whether its waves or matter or energy or light) out of nothing (per
5., the brain acitivity balances itself out, without even considering
consciousness), extending beyond the "balanced" reactions.

This is a very Troll-like statement. As with any part of the body, the
brain is not an isolated thermodynamic system so conservation of energy
is a
complete red herring. Please think about this more. This is one of the
stupidest things you've written in this discussion. In fact, it's one of
the stupidest things I've ever come across, and that's saying something.

Don't assume what I'm saying, you might make an ass out of both of
us. The conservation of energy I was referring to was not limited to
the brain, but meant that energy was being conserved in the universe.
I argue that if we introduce consciousness as a physical entity, the
law of energy conservation is violated, because the universe is
creating something out of nothing.


I've replied twice to the same post because I wanted to focus on this most
glaring misconception. What is it that the brain must create out of nothing
in order to direct conscious behaviors? By this, I'd like you to name the
chemical(s), forces, electrical potentials...in other words be specific.

Second, how is the brain any different than any other part of the body, take
muscle for example, with regard to the laws of thermodynamics?

Bob Barstead

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