Re: Velikovsky - greatest scholar of the 20th Century

On Apr 28, 1:24 pm, edward_...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:54 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Apr 28, 11:57 am, edward_...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Apr 28, 1:26 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The event is recorded in other civilizations, therefore Joshua is
corroborated.

Ray

No, Ray. As usual you try "proof by assertion" instead of by evidence,
showing that neither you nor Dr Scot are capable of impartial
scholarship or of honesty. And add a bit of namecalling to your own
mix of pied misstatements. In fact, Kenyon dated Jericho to 1500 BC,
well after your mythical "Conquest of Canaan." This date has been
upheld by archaelogical dating; there is no need to also cite the C14
dating, which agrees with the pottery dating.

You are gravely mistaken. Kenyon dated Jericho to the 13th century BC.
Garstang dated to the 15th century BC.

You're behind times, Ray. Here's a quote about Garstang: (http://www.utexas.edu/courses/wilson/ant304/projects/projects97/kingp/jerich...)
John Garstang, a British archaeologist, excavated at Jericho next,
because he did not agree with the Sellin and Watzinger's findings. His
excavation lasted from 1930.1936. His excavation techniques were crude
by today's standards, thus the Anchor Bible Dictionary declares
"Garstang's stratigraphy and dating is [sic] partially
unreliable" (Netzer 725). ...
Here's Kenyon, same source: However she dated the destroyed city to
1550 B.C. This date is 150 years to early for the city to be the city
Joshua's armies destroyed. During the period in which Joshua would
have lived, she believed the city to be uninhabited. According to
Bryant Wood she dated the city "almost exclusively" by the absence of
a type of imported pottery common to the era around 1400 B.C., but he
admits, "we must piece together scattered statements in various
writings" in order to reach this conclusion (50). She concluded, as
had Sellin and Watzinger before her that the Biblical account of the
conquest of Jericho was untenable. "


Just like I said: by absence of pottery!

Your original commentary included two claims:

1. Kenyon's Jericho dating.

2. Assumption that a 15th century Conquest could not have happened
(the Biblical date c.1410 BC.) based on Kenyon.

I made an error about Kenyon; I wrongly assigned to her the accepted
minimalist dating of a Conquest (13th century). Kenyon claims to have
"corrected" Garstang's errors, but since the historic accuracy of the
book of Joshua is at stake we know Kenyon had a motive to move the
fall of Jericho. Garstang remains, his work stands as the best
objective assessment of when Jericho fell.


This is the date that Wood redated to 1500 BC; see the cite previously
noted.

I said nothing of a "missing day". Show me or retract.

Ray: "The context of Dr. Scott's quote was referring to Velikovsky
proving
that the Earth stood still and when the Exodus took place (15th
century BC). The latter proves Biblical chronology correct and
Egyptian AS PRESENTED BY ATHEIST EGYPTOLOGISTS WRONG. "

You are a minimalist - all is explained.
Ray

No, Ray. Only because you ignore data that doesn't mollify your ego.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

As far as the minimalist, you do relaize that Feinstein is not a
minimalist of the Copenhagen school? Do you know what he claimed?
Certainly EVERYTHING Feinstien claimed is not correct. OTOH, many
people claim Feinstein said things he never claimed. I feel the issue
is up in the air, but that the account of David's kingdom in the bible
isn't absolutely correct in all particulars either.

The united monarchy under David claims territory conquest from the
Euphrates to the borders of Egypt. David reigned c.1000 BC. Show me
one ANE nation that claims a victory in their annals for this time
period or shut the *** up?


When the official
report about Mazer's Iron Age II pottery in the Citadel comes out and
is critiqued, we'll know more. (I do assume you're familiar with the
issue, as well as with why Feinstein dated his pottery at a different
site. Personally I think he was trying for a more precise date than
the pottery would give him--I mean, does everybody throw out their
pottery in the same year? Though I think you're just blowing smoke and
tryiing to sound like you know moore than you really do)- Hide quoted text -

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Since you are a Finkelstein minimalist I do not feel insulted. Anyone
can toss data around. If you were as knowledgeable as you claim you
would have never posted ten thousand links attempting to prove your
jumbled points. Pasting links is the first sign that said person is a
rank amateur. Education by Google, when did you graduate Edward?

Rutherford has proven when the Exodus occurred (1453 BC). We have two
star alignments that create a fixed date. From this benchmark dating
the archaeology contained in the Great Pyramid proves said event
occurred 1453 BC. This data proves Kenyon false and corroborates
Garstang. I bet you do not even know who Rutherford is - do you? Since
you are a Minimalist you could not know anything about objective
evidence and those who produce it.

Please do not waste my time with your amateurish presentations. I only
gave you attention because you are a newbie. Now that I know you are
uneducated I will not read your posts anymore.

Ray


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