Re: Begging the Dualist question

On 3 Apr, 06:01, "Perplexed in Peoria" <jimmene...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
<hairya...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in messagenews:1175571562.801174.36100@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
After 100s of posts of psuedo-socratic dialog "someone" at last (halle-
bloody-lujah) begins to be more open about where he is heading by
saying:

Every person violates the known laws of physics, they are not robots.

And

If we didn't violate the laws of physics, then there would be no means
by which we could express what we were experiencing.

"Someone" is then asked to provide evidence of these assertions, just
one example of such a violation of known laws of physics would do.

The result is another few kilobytes of waffle that comes down to.

'It is because I say it is, and I say it is because I believe it is,
and I believe it because it's true, it is, it is, .... '

I can only imagine that "someone" is in fact a materialist who is
doing a Coyote Trickster to drive us to that view. Taking so long just
to end up begging the question I cannot imagine they could be
seriously representing the other side.

And I read it's not the first time! Extraordinary!

If any of the numbered someones actually knew anything about physics,
you might ask him whether those violations of the laws of physics would
be detectable by physical instruments. That is when the gyrations of
the dualist position get really interesting. Because, of course, they
answer that the violations are undetectable - it is a quantum mechanics
thing. Or else they retract the bit about actually violating the laws,
but claim that since the laws involve observers and collapsing wave
functions, dualism is proven correct by the (quantum) laws of physics.

Someone believes, if physical constitution is all there is to go by,
we could all be zombies. Some of us (possibly only him, for all he
knows) are not. I can't help here, as I'm possibly not conscious.

Seriously though, how does someone taking Someone's position proceed?
Is he going to say "If your only dermal bones are in your gums, and
you haven't got a pouch for putting babies in, then you're probably
one of us?

Either way, it has the same effect as a Godwin violation - the debate is
doomed - it may stumble around for a while, but it ain't going anywhere.

.

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