Re: How accurate is carbon dating?

On Mar 22, 7:01 pm, "Ray Martinez" <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 22, 3:33 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



"Ray Martinez" <pyramid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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Howard: what is the name of the scholar that wrote the Wikipedia
article on Radiocarbon dating?

Appeal to authority is still a logical fallacy, Ray. Here is the
references the article uses:

Dana: you seemed to have misunderstood.

No, I did not misunderstand. You are employing the logical fallacy of
argument from authority.

What makes you think that a request for information is a "logical
fallacy"? Western standards have long repudiated hooded authority.
Again, what is the name of the scholar that wrote the scientific
article? Are you saying this is an unreasonable request? That it is
illogical to want to know this?

Articles on Wikipedia are not scientific articles. However, the
Wikipedia article contains a list of references to scientific papers,
and the names of the authors of these are listed. The Wikipedia
article summarizes the important aspects of these, and this can be
verified by reviewing the referenced papers. The article itself does
not need to have been written by a scholar.

On the off chance that you disagree with this, I will need to point
out that by your own standard there is little point to your completing
your (probably fictional) paper since it will certainly not have been
written by a scholar and therefore its content cannot be trusted. Your
paper will suffer even more than a Wikipedia article since you will
not be able to reference any scientific papers written by Gene (E.D.)
Scott, since *he* *never* *wrote* *any*. Oh, and incidentally, Ray,
the Bible was not written by scholars.

I did not ask for the
references.

Because they show you are wrong.

How do references make a person *wrong* for asking a non-related
question? I think you meant to say "It is wrong to ask for the authors
name if references are given"? If so, how so?

You may ask for the author's name all you like. If you see knowing the
name as relevant, enjoy. The scholarship, the original material, the
material worth reading is in the references.

Do you trust the contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica (for
example)? Who wrote the articles?

I asked what is the name of the scholar that wrote the
Wikipedia article?

Which is why I pointed out that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy.

You have misunderstood. I did not make an appeal - I asked a question
(authors name?).



If the issue was about making chocolate chip cookies or comic strips
it wouldn't matter; but the issue is radiocarbon dating - a very
complicated scientific subject that requires a scholar to present the
facts.

One does not need a "scholar" to present the facts. Facts can be presented
by anyone familiar with the evidence. Which is why the references are
given, so one can see for oneself what the facts are.

Scholars are as such so truth is guarded. Intelligent persons have
long decided that facts are determined by scholars. You seem to be
defending subjectivism - a hallmark of the uneducated.

In science, scholars do not guard the truth. They publish to expose
their ideas to their peers. Because they publish, other scholars are
able to extend, question, or disprove that knowledge.

Facts are determined by scholars, are they? Since no scholar has
determined that you are a Christian, how can we know that that is
true? Are we to take your word for it? How can we -- you are not a
scholar! Oh, wait, wait, wait a moment! I'm getting the sense that you
didn't actually mean what you wrote. If I continue along this line,
we're going to have an -ology moment again, aren't we?

Scholars, and scientists in particular, use facts to develop
explanations.

We need to have this scholars name to have confidence that the
facts were presented accurately.

Which is appeal to authority.

Correct. How else does one know if the facts are accurately presented?

One reads the referenced papers.

Ray

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