Re: Right on topic

On Mar 21, 8:53 pm, "Glenn" <GlennShel...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 21, 5:03 pm, "chris.linthomp...@xxxxxxxxx"



<chris.linthomp...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 18, 12:32 am, "Glenn" <GlennShel...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.thecamarilloacorn.com/news/2007/0316/Community/016.html

"Evolution is not a theory- it's a process. Fossil records prove that
evolution is true," said Clint Harper, an agnostic who teaches physics
and astronomy at Moorpark College."

"The college has been hosting a yearlong series of events about
science and religion to spark debate."

"When comparing science to religion, I tell my students: Religion gave
you 9/11, takes your money every Sunday and wastes part of your
weekend . . . science gave you antibiotics, iPods and cellphones. Take
your pick," Harper said."

Religion in physics and astronomy class! Who'd a thunk. Take your pick.

Hey Glenn, where did it say that it was presented in class?

Where do you think he tells *his* students? In "event" class?



In case you didn't read *what you quoted*, it says:

"The college has been hosting a yearlong series of events about
science and religion to spark debate."

It sounds to me like this quote was taken from one of those events,
not the physics or astronomy class.

And what would that matter? He is a teacher, telling his students

You're a laugh a minute, Glenn. Are you telling me that it's the same
thing to tell students his personal views on science and religion
during a school sponsored debate, probably in the student union or a
theater, and telling the same thing during an Astronomy class, when he
should be describing the Main Sequence? If you're saying that, Glenn,
if you're really saying there's no difference between those two
things, then you're acting more mentally defective than usual. Of
course there's a difference. The former is an example of the free
speech that's supposed to be found on university campuses, the latter
is an egregious violation of the separation of churh and state- if the
college is a state college, or if it receives federal grant money. The
former is plainly his opinion, the second is using the power of the
lectern in an inappropriate manner. While college students are
generally considered not as much of a captive audience as grade-
schoolers or high school students, I still think it's entirely
inappropriate for the prof. to tell his students there's no god.

things.Irregardless of where he was, the event was school sponsored.

Schools sponsor lots of things. Not long ago a club at NYU sponsored a
"Spot the illegal alien" contest. It was very silly, and the college
went out of their way to say it was NOT endorsed by the
administration, but they're allowed to do it. But not in class.

Teaching religion is allowed, but then that isn't what he appeared to
be doing. He wasn't even addressing creationism, but religion in
general.

Out of the classroom. In case you missed it, a bunch of guys got
together and wrote something up that said we're allowed to do that.
Since then we've decided that you can do that on your own time, but
not on government time.

But you probably think that is ok for a science teacher to
criticize, to "spark debate".

If it is at a school-sponsored event, and out of the classroom, why
yes, I do. Don't you?

Chris


After all, when you're teaching science, you've got too much real
material to cover- it's not as though you're teaching something like
"scientific advances made by god" which would be...empty?

Huh? You claiming there is scientific evidence of this "emptiness?
Chris, why would a physics and astronomy teacher tell his students
anything about evolution or religion? "Religion" gives us everything,
in the sense that people's beliefs affect their actions. What was
quoted is certainly not "fact", or scientific. He gave his students a
little of his "religion".

I am saying that there's an overabundance of material in science
classes. We're short of time as it is. We don't have the class time to
waste on crapola like extended discussions of creationism.

If you really want to know why and where that astronomy prof. said
those things, send him an email.

Chris

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