Re: computer simulation

stew dean wrote:

I want to solve ALL those problems. But we had an opportunity
to solve one particularly nasty problem - the rape of Iraqi women
by their own government. The state-slavery of 27 million Iraqis,
who didn't even have the right to not be raped. It is something
that EVERYONE should have supported, but a majority didn't.

And why was this? Doesnt it strike you as odd?

Yep, absolutely. I was shocked. I thought that 90% of
Australians would support replacing a sadistic dictator
with a democracy. But only 50% did.

It was VITAL to understand how anyone could ignore the screams
of the Iraqi women as they were being raped by their own
government.

How do you know this happened? It appears that the US army was also
guilty of this as well.

If the US army does it, it is ILLEGAL and the perpetrators
will be CHARGED and JAILED. Under Saddam it was LEGAL
for him to rape Iraqi women. Do you understand the difference
between LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

Understanding that would explain why some
people rape while others protect. Everyone should have been
trying to understand the problem. But I was the only one doing
so. And it was I who came up with the solution.

Which was?

To "fight subjugation". Rape is a form of subjugation, and
entirely natural. People have raped throughout history, and
they didn't need to be taught it. It comes naturally. Because
humans are natural subjugators. To overcome this we need
a religion that teaches to fight subjugation, so that we become
protectors rather than criminals. The Europeans have
essentially been taught "don't subjugate", which is why they
neither commit the crime nor protect.

In my view I do more to help more than you appear to be doing.

You can't do more than liberating 27 million people from
state-slavery.

But you didnt do that.

I did. I voted to send in the security forces at my disposal to
liberate Iraq.

It's also not fact that there was state-slavery,

Yes there was. The Iraqi people were effectively Saddam's slaves.
They had no rights at all. They had to obey his every command.
He was their master, and punishment for disobedience was
horrific.

at least not on a scale found in other countries. Why
Iraq?

Because there was an opportunity to do something about Iraq.
A pretext had been presented. It was a geostrategically sound
move to make. We could liberate Iraq on the back of US
geostrategy.

And it was necessary to understand why we have bad people
in the world. The answer is that we have undesirable genetic
traits, and we need a religion to counteract those traits.

Whooooooo there. You're way off target. Genetic traits don't lead to
bad people - anti-social behavour is the product of socierty NOT
genetics.

You're wrong. It's in our nature to be selfish predators. It's
in our nature to subjugate. No-one needs to teach these
things, it comes naturally.

I suggest, for moral reasons, you drop the idea that behavour is tied
into genetics.

I'm dealing with the reality. Men rape without having been
taught to rape. Even when they've explicitly been taught
not to rape, they still do it. Nothing teaches a man to rape,
it comes naturally. That is the natural state of humans.
The more we rape, the more we pass on our genes.

All evil people in history considered they where doing good. Be very
careful of what you are looking to do, you could be the problem not the
solution.

I'm ending rape. I'm the solution.

Why the fixation on Iraqi women?

It was the most obvious example of a human rights abuse.
Everyone should be able to agree that raping women is
wrong.

And they do. But I can't see anything you've said that in anyway a
solution.

Fight subjugation. Join the tribe of anti-subjugators. Reply "yes"
to:

I pledge allegiance to use my brain to fight subjugation of my species
- do you?

Provide a link to show this is still happening and then

It isn't anymore! Thanks to the war there has been an
institutional change. Iraqi women are now legally protected
from being raped.

Doesnt appear to have stopped things..
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1007392006

"Michael said a failure by U.S. commanders to hold soldiers to account
had fostered a climate of impunity among troops"

Looks like the legal cover doesnt quite cover all women. It appears
that the US troops are guilty of the same crimes as the troops under
Sadam.

There are a SMALL number of US troops BREAKING THE LAW.
The FACT is that Iraqi women now have full legal protection of
their rights. They can report a rape to the police. Under Saddam,
if you were raped on Saddam's orders, you couldn't report the
crime to the police. Can't you see the difference?

Meanwhile this kind of activity carries on in places like Sierra Leone,
Demoocratic Republick of Congo and by the UK troops in Kenya.

NOT LEGALLY!!!

You did not make rape illegal or stop it happening.

Yes I did.

What ever victory
you are claiming I see no evidence to see that it is anything related
to you.

I supported the Iraq war. Not only did I support it, but I devoted
my life to finding out why others didn't support it. It is due to a
tribal mentality. They view Iraq as a single entity with Saddam
as its legitimate leader. Whereas I view people as individuals,
and I am in the tribe of anti-subjugators, which transcends
race/religion/sex/nationality, and I knew that members of my
tribe were waiting in Iraq for me to free them. You can see them
now, in the Iraqi blogs. They are so happy that I freed them.
Here is one of them:
http://www.iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
You would have left these people in chains. You failed humanity.

No, I won't do evil, because I have empathy.

You appear not to be able to see youself from outside - this does tend
to indicate a lack of empathy. Why is it I think you are delussional?
If you have empathy you will be able to offer a view on this.

You think I am delusional because many people make such
claims, and they do not sound believable, and they usually
come from fruitcakes. It is difficult for you to believe that
one of a long list of claims is actually real. This is the
exception, but unless you can understand what I've done
(which is verifiable), there's no chance you will believe me.

That depends on the religion. A religion that teaches
"empathy for strangers" and "fight subjugation" is exactly
what we need to stop people from doing bad things (as
is their nature).

What we need is increased awareness of humanity, to avoid the
dehumanising of people. We don't need a religion or a cult.

Yes we do. We need to directly counter our genetic
tendencies. The only way to do that is with religion/ideology.
Airy-fairy things like "increased awareness of humanity" are
a round-about way of trying to achieve the same thing. It is
not good enough.

What is
needed is people to be free to think and for there to be no
'absolutes'.

There are absolutes. Rape is wrong.

What is needed is for people to be responsible and aware
of how the world works. Folks like you going on about computer
simulations that are proved because your post tied into an arbitary
religious number that appears to be wrong and the day of the year on
act of terrorism happened (ignoring others) are not helping in my view.

It is my message 666 that is helping. It will usher in world
freedom. It is basically what the US is already exporting,
but they don't have the words to describe it. They are
just vaguely exporting "freedom". The Iraqis have been
taught that "freedom" is "independence from Britain".
That is not what freedom is. They had far more freedom
under the British than under Saddam.

I don't even believe that we are the result of evolution. The
evolutionary evidence was just constructed and placed there
for us to find.

So you would take the objective evidence for evolution as invalid as
you have a fantasy about everything being a computer simulation.

You really havnt looked at this from a different angle have you?

I came FROM the different angle! I used to believe in
evolution, as I simply refused to believe there was a God,
given the evil that existed in the world. There was no
other explanation. Now there is.

To make us BELIEVE that there was no God.

Well that worked didnt it! Sorry but that makes no logical sense what
so ever. You are trying to predict the motivations of a omnipotent
entity and are saying that it wants us not to believe in it.

Doesnt sound very plausable does it? Try and see things my way.

It does sound plausible. How would YOU construct a computer
simulation? Would you make yourself known and force everyone
to obey you, or would you give them total freedom by making them
think that they don't need to answer to a higher being, they're all
just an abberation of physics? Basically the world is set up the
way I would want it set up.

So you can't even "do the calculation", because the calculation
doesn't produce the end result you want. You need to plant
the evidence instead.

But evolution does produce the results we see - so why fake it? Even

You don't know that evolution produces the results we see.
I doubt it.

if there was a god it would have just run evolution to get to where it
wanted, which is not likely to be us. We are not the final goal of
evolution as it has no goal, we are a point on a line that stretches
into the future.

That's only your theory. I believe we are indeed the final
goal, and that this universe exists for our enjoyment.

You don't need to simulate it!!! You simply need to plant
the evidence!!!

But for the evidence to work it needs to make logical sense, join up
etc,

Yes, it needs to APPEAR as if it joins up. There needs to be
sufficient fossil records for you to BELIEVE that evolution
occurred. I don't believe it did.

The only way to do that is to run the simulation otherwise it
won't make sense, it'll be like a set you can see behind when you look
closer. To simulate plate techtonices, errosion, the course of rivers
over millions or years, the layers in an ice core, the rings in a tree
and fo rthem all to be consistent and cross referencing requires you do
all the calculations which means running the simulation!

If you dont' the gaps will be bloody obvious.

This is a problem for the computer programmer to do.
Construct a model with no discernable gaps. There are
multiple ways of doing this, the end result is all that
matters.

The point is there is most likely in this case as you have no idea why
the simulation exists. If it's down to some ego thing then its almost
certainly wrong.

It's not wrong. It's here to entertain me.

No you're here to entertian me. You are just my dream. This is just as
valid and equaly as wrong.

You're not the one protecting people's human rights.

1. I am the only person who devoted his life to finding out how
people could turn a blind eye to institutionalized rape, or worse,
to oppose the ending of it.

So you've never heard of Amnesty International.? Sorry but you
statement is false beyond doubt.

Amnesty International opposed letting the US end institutionalized
rape in Iraq. And they made no attempt to find out why they and
others took such a HORRIFIC stance.

2. The result of that work came to a climax in message 666 on
Sept 11, a miracle.

Urm no.

Yes, that is scientifically verifiable. The message is still online.

3. I was the only person who "loved my enemy" enough to
convert to the Mu'tazilah sect of Islam to help the enemy
escape potential genocide.

But you didnt, you claim to be the second coming of Jesus. Opps. My
understanding of religion is enough to know the two are inconsistent.

You're wrong. The second coming of Jesus has converted to
Islam in an attempt to save the Muslims from the deep hole
they have dug for themselves.

It appears that none of the above is true.

They are all true.

It is not an illogical conclusion. It is a logical explanation as to
why evil would exist in this world.

No evil exist because people do things that are against socierty. They
do these things because they consider that is what they need to do to
do well in life. Those with no money will attempt to solve this and
they will turn to crime,

Yes, we are genetically selfish. But I believe (hope) that the
evil that is perpetrated against innocent people is actually
being simulated.

those who consider others to be evil will
often do evil like invade other countries and justify it much as you
have.

This is where you're falling down. It is not evil to LIBERATE
another country from state-slavery. It is the ultimate act of
benevolence. It is exactly what God wants. I thought there
was no God, so I was doing it in lieu of God doing it. Using
science.

Evil exists becose of ignorance, much like you have demonstated to me.
You are part of the problem.

No, I am the solution.

Why do you think it is improbable? It's exactly what you would
do if you had the technology 1 million years from now. The "real"
date is probably billions of years from now.

So we are a simulation in a simulation in a simulation?

Potentially. Potentially the level above us is not the "real"
God but merely creatures with sophisticated computers,
who may not have any knowledge about the "real" God
either.

There is no
way to prove this or disprove it so it is highly improbable given what
we know.

It's not improbable at all. The chances of us being here exactly
when computers were invented, but not to have the technology
to download our brains onto silicon on our own are very remote.

BFN. Paul.

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