Re: Darwinism causes people to stop loving each other
- From: "stew dean" <stewdean@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 1 Sep 2006 02:17:59 -0700
nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
stew dean wrote:
As soon as you attempt to put
'spirituality' into science you are defeated by objectivity as science
attempts to remove all subjectivity using it's method for a very clear
logical reason - namely the subjective isnt 'real', It's a human point
of view.
Yeah ..... it is demonstrably DARWIN AND THE DARWINISTS who put
spirituality into science. Darwin giving marriage advice in his work,
society advice, thinking advice etc. etc. ad nauseum is all putting
spirituality in science.
Ignore Darwin. I've never read origin of the species and don't intend
to, it might be good from a historical point of view but you don't need
Darwin to understand modern evolution.
It leads to Hitler basing Nazism on natural
selection, which is similar in kind as you basing humanism on natural
selection, or Dawkins basing atheism on natural selection theory.
Dawkins is a athiest evangeliser. You may have heard of his series
about religion being the root of all evil. Hitler didnt use nautral
selection the way evolution uses it and misunderstood Darwins's work.
If I hit you smack in your face, then I'm sure you would agree it's
real. And that choice of mine to do it or not, it's a spiritual thing,
If spiritual means of the mind then yes it is. As soon as you say
spirituality is something that is not objective then you are provawebly
incorrect.
The smack in the face, which is not a very friendly act, is real and
the things that lead up to it are real but are as causual as anything
else in the universe. You still mke the choicce to do this. What I
feel you don't understand is what choices are, you appear to want to
ignore the knowledge we have about choices.
it can turn out one way or another, by emotion. And I can well see that
you aren't pulling your share of the moral weight of the knowledge of
spirituality in making decisions, and that makes me angry.
This is down to the frustration in your inability to communicate your
ideas or to translate you need to have a spiritual realm somehow made
real. Spirtuality can only really be objective in terms of mental
activity - not in some other dimension outside of out thought
processes.
You have as the goal of science to remove subjectivity means you have
the goal of science to remove all knowledge of love and hate.
The goal of science is to remove subjectivity from the scientific
process - not from our total knowledge. The scientific method can
describe why we love and hate but it's just describing the world as it
does so, not judging or saying what we should do.
Your conception of science is therefore insane.
Your conception of my conception of science is wrong.
Let me repeat so you understand. Science is about describing what is
and how it works. It is not about why things are or about meaning or
purpose. That is where philosophy, humanism, religion and belief come
in. Scientists are human and they'll use human terms to communicate
ideas but the scientific process works because it is objective.
If it can't be independently tested and reproduced, if someone else
can't see the same thing independent of yourself then how can anyone
say it's real? You can't.
Stew Dean
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