Re: What's the Problem?


RAM wrote:
Jim Spaza wrote:
Cheezits wrote:
"Jim Spaza" <spaza9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Cheezits wrote:
"Jim Spaza" <spaza9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Cheezits wrote:
"Jim Spaza" <spaza9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[etc.]
You're assuming that you know all about the authors of the
Bible.

And you're not? :-D I know they were human beings, and that they
did not have a modern scientific background. Feel free to point
out where I'm wrong.

So far, so good. But, you went way beyond that to conclude that
they knew nothing more about God than you.

There is no good reason to suppose that they did, or that anyone else
does.

I still haven't seen a good reason. You probably feel that you have.

They wrote the Bible, yes? Then, there is a good reason to suppose
that they did, especially when the Bible has supernatural aspects to
it. These aspects include accurate prophecy that would take millions
of dollars and modern special effects to fake.

What prophecy would that be?

This website has a good summary.
http://www.daveandangel.com/CRN/BibleProofs.shtml

The reformation of Israel is a particularly interesting one.


How would special effects come into play?

Well, how would you fake a dead body coming back to life and speaking
to the disciples of Jesus?

If they faked Jesus' resurrection, why would those disciples allow
themselves to be persecuted and killed for something that they knew to
be a lie?


They include knowledge
of scientific facts well before there was science to begin with.

Such as?

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

One of my favorites is the following:

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the
earth upon nothing." - Job 26:7

How could anyone around 1,000 B.C. possibly know that space is a void?



So, either the Biblical authors got phenomenally, coincidentally lucky
or they knew what they were talking about.

I've seen these generalizations made before by right wing
fundamentalist who are anti-modern anti-science and generally ignorant
of much of eastern Mediterranean cultural history? I grew up hearing
these types of declarations. There assertions about predictions and
science were nothing more than taking scriptures (largely out of
context) and declaring them as predictions and scientific facts "after"
the events occurred. I'm no longer impressed when this happens.

Oh, well, I am not anti-modern or anti-science. I don't know the
people to whom you refer.


Show form Biblical scriptures three predictions that will be manifest
in the near future and three scientific facts science has yet to
recognize.

OK. Legitimate request. Here a just a few of the relevant verses
which deal with each subject.

Predictions:

1) There will be a one-world religion which will seek to incorporate
all belief systems with the center of this religion in Rome.

The woman here is this religious system which enters into contracts
with the governments in the region (ten horns).

"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and
talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the
judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom
the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants
of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a
woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple
and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and
pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and
filthiness of her fornication:

And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." -Revelation
17:1-5

2) There will be a peace treaty between Israel and the nations in the
region.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the
midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to
cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it]
desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be
poured upon the desolate." - Daniel 9:27

3) There will be an expansion of knowledge in the end times.
Actually, this is already happening.

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to
the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be
increased."

Science:

1) As astronomy, geology, and molecular sciences get better, we will
see that this universe could not have happened on its own or by any
natural process. The Big Bang theory creates far more questions and
problems than it solves.

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." - Genesis 1:1

2) As biological science becomes more advanced, we will see that the
possibility of abiogenesis becomes so infinitestimally small that there
is no rationale reason to believe it happened, thereby giving credence
to one or more special creation events by the Supreme Being.

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the
open firmament of heaven." - Genesis 1:20

3) As medicine improves, we will see how there are less and less ways
for natural processes to explain "miraculous" healings.

There is no one Bible verse which speaks about supernatural healings
being confirmed by medicine to be indeed supernatural.


Then you will have some credibility.

RAM

BIG SNIP

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