Re: Darwinism causes people to stop loving each other

"nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx" <nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As before, the choice-principle that scientists must accept is of
several possible results. There are no several possible results in
natural selection, the other variant is not an option that might have
been selected for, it is just a relative measurement standard for the
variant that gets selected for of neccesity.

If you want to debate the issues of free will vs determinism, why don't you
just say so instead of calling it "choice-principle"?

Thanks for providing proof once again that Darwinists are perverting
the meaning of choice, so to make choice a mechanical principle of
cause and effect, where the other option can't even become realized.

Free will is an illusion.

There should be a refresher course from kindergarten in college.

Normally it works the other way around. The simplistic ideas we learn, and
which we are taught, in our early life, are normally replaced with more
complex ideas in later life, when we become wise enough to understand them.

In
kindergarden as far as I know people do still learn that choices are
spiritual, even in public schools they universally teach this. But
somehow later people forget that knowledge, which was actually among
the first things taught in their academic life.

I was never taught such stuff in my schools. Your education must have been
very different from mine.

Either you believe that we are teaching all our kids lies, and you
should seek to correct those lies,

I'm working on it. But you can't do much to correct a life time of
misguided education in a few Usenet posts.

or else you believe it is the truth,
and you should respect that truth throughout academic life.

Nobody, ever, said something so odd as, "choices are spiritual" to me.
I've never heard it, and I've never read it until I started to read your
posts.

I was taught that I must be responsible for my personal choices. This
becomes obvious very quickly when you do something that ends up causing
yourself harm. It becomes more obvious when you end up doing something that
harms another person.

Much later in life, I was introduced to the ideas of free will vs
determinism. This is a debate way beyond what kids in kindergarten can
understand.

Of course I'm counting on it that you have no hope whatsoever to
convince any parent of your Darwinistic rubbish.

What part of the world do you live in?

Do you understand that these ideas are being taught in the US to all
children in public schools? Do you understand that many times people with
views like yours have attempted to change that, and have failed? Do you
understand that the reason it fails, is because a large number of parents
stand up and fight people with your views when they try to introduce
faith-based reasoning into a science class?

What ideas they get introduced to at home however can be (and many times
are) very different.

You may likely have a
hard time convincing yourself that you should teach your Darwinism over
common spirituality to your own children if you have any.

I've got two kids. One is 10, the other 14. You can bet I'm never going
to teach them something so naive and misguided as "choices are spiritual".
They were smarter than that even when they were in kindergarten.

One can rightly see also, that it is much because we teach our children
these sorts of spiritual things about choices, that our children are
generally nice, and generally oppose loneliness.

Learning to be nice or learning to oppose loneliness has nothing to do with
what they are taught about in a science class.

If we had that kind of
knowledge as adults same as the children have, we would be better
equipped to deal with things such as loneliness on a societal scale.

Will, I do agree that I see most people that are able put their faith in a
God as being child-like. I only wish I was naive enough that I could
return to the time when I could believe the world was a simple and good
place where a higher power was always looking out for me (the adults). I
know too much to ever go back to those days however. As much as I may like
the world to work that way, it just doesn't.

I don't try to convert people away from their Gods because I know they find
some comfort in them that is important to them. I would not take away that
comfort from them if I can help from doing so. But when they start to
confuse their need for comfort and security, with reality, and try to
change, or stop, the work of scientists because this work makes them
uncomfortable, I have to draw the line. Truth is always more important,
than some limited short term comfort.

This is part of why I'm responding to your posts.

But the knowledge of the spiritual side to choosing is oppressed by the
Darwinist science establishment, in a most fascistic way.

What did your parents do to you?

I sense a lot of projection happening here. Are you making such an effort
to address these ideas of loneliness because you have found yourself very
lonely? Were you abandoned by your Mother, and now you are trying to blame
that on Darwinism? Are you trying to return to the days of kindergarten
before you were so lonely?

I'm just trying to understand why you would come here and post these things
you are posting.

regards,
Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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