Re: Is a fact something that has been proven?


ave1 wrote:
Tracy P. Hamilton wrote:
ave1 wrote:
Well, what do ya know-- here's some good evidence that we are going to
see an electron quantum eraser experiment, and that it has a very close
correlation to the double slit experiments:
e> > > http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0607031

Steve
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Did mind come before matter in the universe or matter come before mind?
Chapters 1 and 2 have your answer:
http://www.bottomlayer.com/bottom/reality/Intro.html

You know nothing about QM, <snip>

My response to Mr. Kahana reveals that he's made some rather big errors
in his analysis.

ROTFL! Did you look up Kahana's papers to see what field they were in?

ditch the websites [snip]

. . . The electron quantum eraser experiment is a two electron entanglement
experiment, the double slit is a one electron at a time (i.e. not
entangled).

The reason they entangled the photons and electrons is to see if "which
path" information will work in a certain way-- Apart from the detecting
equipment.

Er, no. One can't get which path information "apart" from the
detecting equipment.
You never did answer my very simple questions about what happens if the
physicist takes a coffee break during the experiment. Are you an
intellectual coward?

[snip assertions repeated]

The paper explicitly includes the detector in the analysis (which means

which support what I repeat above...

the detector has the effect, not "intelligence". The detector is
itself a two-state quantum system. My mind can exist in more than two
states.

The detector doesn't have the effect to ultimately alter the way
photons or electrons or matter in any form.

This is a very clever experiment:
It is setup so that if you look at the two detectors (D3 and D4) the
two photons MUST have gone through the two slits, the one at D3 through
slit A and the one at D4 through slit B. No interference, photon
behaves as a particle (i.e if we can observed it localized it is
particle like). Whereas if you look at detector D1 the light may have
gone through EITHER slit A or slit B, interference is observed, giving
light behaving as a wave.

The detector affects the wave function if it is set up to ULTIMATELY
provide which path information. Period. It is a simple mathematical
consequence of QM - one COMPUTES the wave function. If the detector is
not set up to ULTIMATELY provide which path information, then the
calculations indicate a DIFFERENT wave function, and that is what is
observed - a different probability distribution.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1:15447461/Quantum+consciousness%7eR%7e+(physicist+Roger+Penroses+theory+of+consciousness+based+on+non-computable+quantum-mechanic%7eR%7e%7eR%7e%7eR%7e.html?refid=ency_botnm


This sounds very interesting.

To say we have this all figured out (and that it all boils down to
detectors altering the propagation of photons or matter/energy) is to
not know much about quantum mechanics. Are you really sure you want to
say that Mermin is wrong about there being a puzzle of conscious
awareness?

It has nothing to do with QM, since I don't see it as being a coherence
dependent phenomenon. There is no way to pepare states in the brain
that way.

Tracy P. Hamilton

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