Re: First Law of Intelligence and the Big Bang

On 12 Jul 2006 17:24:15 -0700, "rupert.morrish@xxxxxxxxx"
<rupert.morrish@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Zoe wrote:
On 8 Jul 2006 21:05:24 -0700, "Inez" <savagemouse123@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Zoe wrote:
On 6 Jul 2006 05:45:11 -0700, "Inez" <savagemouse123@xxxxxxxxxxx>
[snip]
Also, while you're at it, please explain how amino acids were able to
form in your early-earth scenario, since oxygen was always present.
Oxygen, in the experiment, prevented the formation of the amino acids.

Again, I'm not claiming to have answers here, I'm only arguing with
yours. Still, according to this wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_atmosphere#The_evolution_of_the_Earth.27s_atmosphere
Earth has not always had oxygen in it's atmosphere.

I can guarantee that if the experiment had shown that oxygen was
necessary for the amino acids to form, that the early-earth theory
would instead be that there must have been abundant oxygen in the
early earth. And the supposed oxygen sinks that are posited as a
solution for doing away with oxygen in the early atmosphere, would
instead be theorized to have NOT absorbed all the oxygen, as is
currently proposed.

Yes! That is because theories that do not match the experimental
evidence are discarded.

the theory was not discarded. It evolved into a theory that now
accommodated the fact that amino acids would not form in the presence
of oxygen.

When the Earth was formed, there were no amino
acids present (they degrade at the temperature of molten rock). On
Earth today, there are amino acids. It is reasonable to enquire how and
when this changed.

okay, so the scenario is that there were no amino acids present when
the earth was formed, because the earth was too hot. Once the earth
cooled down (and the oceans fell out of the skies) how did the amino
acids that supposedly formed next self assemble into the first
cyanobacterium?

Whatever your designer did, surely it is more reasonable to assume that
it did something possible? Or do you demand miracles just because?

miracles are events that you don't yet have a scientific understanding
of how they occurred. There was a time in history that if someone had
said, "I just talked to my friend on the other side of the earth, and
he/she answered me," that would have been called impossible or a
miracle.

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