Re: topmind: ID is potentially testable


topmind wrote:
Obviously argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy, but if I had
consistently and continuously evoked this reaction in every online
forum I participated in over many years, I'd certainly be thinking long
and hard about my own behavior.

Based on your history, I have a question. Which do you think is more
likely: a) You are an unrecognized genius in every domain to which you
turn your attention or b) You are a serial troll?


I believe I have the gift to smell bullsh8t. I see fads or claims
coming around that have no solid logical justification and I happily
attack their logic. There are always a group of people who, perhaps a
majority, who defend their holy cow to the bitter end and fight like
hell to defend it.

Often it appears that I am the only defender of an idea, but I get a
fair amount of "fan mail" from people who generally agree and see that
I am treated like sh8t and don't want to get publicly involved
themselves.

For example, not too long ago I got an email from tech book author who
was planning on writing a book critical of OOP. However, after seeing
all the name calling and axes being thrown after writing a small
article against OOP, he bailed out. He was silenced by intimidation.

Going against the flow can be rough. Hecklers and hackers pop out of
the woodwork to chop you down any way they can, including via identity
theft. Most people would back down, but the mistreatment just fuels me
further.

OOP hype is starting to unravel and now I see a fair amount of
pro-relational people taking on the battles that I used to wage alone.
If I have an anti-OO desease, it is spreading.

Maybe I am delusional and really am all wrong and dumb and illogical
and stupid like you paint me. However, I am not aware of that and all
self-checks I ran in the past do not reveal anything to my concience
brain. If I really am just a Don Quixote, I am stuck that way. Trying
to fix me is like trying to get a retard to sing on key. My logic makes
perfect sense to me perhaps just like the retard's off-key music sounds
fine to him/her. (But remember that if I can suffer such an affliction
and not know it, then so can you.)

The pattern is that many of my detractors seem to rely heavily on
argument-by-authority. To them science and logic is about accollades,
and self-standing logic is not necessary because "they know goodness
when they see it", but cannot articulate their reasoning if their life
depended on it. They cannot provide public evidence or logic to back
their position, asking readers to just trust them because of their
accollades. They hide behind accollades because they have no public
sword of logic.

-T-

People have a problem with your childish campaign against OOP because
you plainly don't know how to program. The millions of professional
programmers lout there, (including myself), have programming in
numerous languages over the past two decades, and are intimately
familiar with a number of disciplines. After writing literally millions
of lines of code using multiple languages and architectural
disciplines, programmers gravitate towards the best methods that get
the job done. Like any field, there are many methods to conduct your
work which are continually advanced and refined, and sometimes
completely superseded by something new. There is no great, dark OOP
bunny shooting lightening beams up the ass of programmers who don't
use OOP; in fact not everyone does. It is preferred by most of the
programming world however, not because of what we've read in books,
heard in seminars or seen on the internet; we use it because it's a
better way to program. We know this because we've tried the other
ways and OOP is the best method so far.

OOP has ALREADY superseded your weird, naive, muddled relational
programming 'method' which is basically the most primitive symbolic
architecture we first saw in the early 70's BECAUSE BY EXPERIENCE,
NOT OPINION, ITS BETTER. One day OOP will be superseded by something
new and better again; this is the way of the world. Not because it's
'crap', 'bad', 'evil' or 'wrong', but because we
continually advance towards a better way in everything we do.

Programmers resent you because you spout idiotic crap, don't know how
to program and appear to think that we've never worked with any other
architectural method besides OOP. I'm sure when OOP is superseded,
(which will inevitably happen), even though your own 'better way'
has no chance of making the grade you'll jump from your rocking chair
and proclaim, "SEE, I WAS RIGHT!?!? OOP IS CRAP!!!!".

People who promote some cause in a field they understand little are
called 'kooks'. You are a kook. Becoming quite a famous kook in
programming circles too. People would value your opinion more if you
understood OOP, but you plainly don't. Arguing from ignorance will
never get you any respect. You are obviously in IT, or database
administration or something else related. You seem to grasp concepts
like SQL, FoxPRO etc. quite well; subjects for example I know little
about and so wouldn't critique or suggest a 'better way'. You
should write commentary on your own area of expertise instead of
something you don't plainly don't understand.




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Strange

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