Re: The Episcopal Church reaffirms evolution education

Nashton wrote:
michael.palmer1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Tom McDonald wrote:
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I can see the importance some wish to place on having a literal,
once-for-all, unquestioned set of answers based on an unchanging view
of the story told by the Bible. It's just that that's always seemed
like a half-way or stop-gap view, useful for children or those newly
become Christian with a lot else on their spiritual plate.

But to reify that stop-gap measure into a faith for life seems to me to
miss the point.

But then, as an Anglican, and specifically an Episcopalian, damn near a
Catholic, and just about a Lutheran, I'm sure I'm an atheist anyway. :-)


I was lucky. My grandfather, on my mother's side, was from a family
of rigid Lutheran immigrant parents. He was told, "God is behind
that tree," "God is behind that rock, watching you." As a kid, he
looked behind the rocks and trees, found nothing, and decided it was a
Santa Claus story.

On my father's side, one of my grandfather's favorite jokes, I
gather, was asking a fundie, "What's the shortest sentence in the
Bible?" Answer: "Jesus wept." Everyone was forced to be amused,
or at least pretend to. Nice ancestors. Geez, but for the grace of
god, as they say, any of us could be a Logos or Gnashton.

But those fulminating folks who wish to return to the Dark Ages will
always be around ...

-- Mike Palmer. New Hog Wallow, CA


Well, for sure! we can't all aspire to be immoral atheist/hedonistic/Californicating delusional "Darwinians."

Right you are. Many of us are morally upright realists encompassing a
wide spectrum of religious beliefs, who appreciate the theory of
evolution for the good science that it is, the understanding of the
world around us that it provides, and the numerous benefits to humanity
that it brings.

This "Gnaston" has done extremely well in his lifetime. Self made man, worked hard through high school and college, was accepted in a professional degree course, have my own practice, was blessed with *great* kids, with a good heart and live on top of a beautiful hill overlooking the bay and the mountains on the other side. I'm enjoying great health, share my days with a wonderful woman and have enough money on the side to stop working immediately, if I so desired. So much for > your idiotic categorizations, poor simpleton.

Given your posting history - one that is full of seething anger, vile
invective, inability to engage in substantive discussion, frequent
postutring and self-congratulation, feeding your obvious persecution
complex, and, most pertintently, virtually no regard for fact or truth -
you'll have to forgive me if I find this rosy characterization of your
personal life a little hard to believe. Suffice it to say, you don't
come across as any happy or contented person - religious or secular -
that I've ever known. But if, improbable though it is, all of what you
wrote above is indeed the truth, then I say, good for you. As someone
else suggested, you should contact Logos to see if he would feature you
in one of his stories. The majority of humanity, however, would still
do well not to emulate your example.

Get it through your thick cranium, the ToE is *useless*, an atheist's front for naturalism. *Nothing*, I repeat *NOTHING* useful has been derived from the nonsense and all advances in biology are due to genetics and molecular biology. From gene therapy, to treating the common cold, all the way to conservation of the environment, the ToE is a big, gigantic FLOP.

Everyone familiar with your posting history understands perfectly well
that you like to assert this, and given your ignorance and irrational
hatred of the ToE, it is likely that you sincerely believe your own
propaganda, regardless of the evidence to the contrary. Sadly, your
wanting it to be so don't make it so. I could just as easily claim that
genetics, or high-energy physics, or fluid mechanics, or electrical
engineering have been of no use to mankind whatsoever, and dismiss all
evidence to the contrary with such insightful comments as "LOL" and
"ROLFMAO". Of course, such responses would rightly earn me the
reputation of a troll and intellectual midget - which, if you are
capable of introspection, might help you understand why you are so very
popular around here. And of course, most pro-science folks don't take
very kindly to anyone who despises knowledge for the sake of knowledge,
and would dismiss an in-depth understanding of the history of our planet
and our species along with *the* organising principle of all modern
biology as "useless to mankind". If everyone had that attitude, we'd
still be living in the Dark Ages: discouraging any line of inquiry that
does not provide immediate material payoff is surest way to kill off all
technological and social progress. And as an added bonus, such extreme
utilitarianism amounts to one of the most cynical, materialistic
worldviews I can imagine - which is rather ironic, given your frequent
railing against materialism. So even if the very rosy story of your
life is indeed true, I for one am very glad that most people I interact with on a daily basis are nothing like you.

Cheers,
L.

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