Re: Behe vs. Miller, a True Acid Test

Richard Forrest <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

George Evans wrote:
in article 1150369808.904722.31190@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Richard
Forrest at richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 6/15/06 4:10 AM:


George Evans wrote:
in article 4f8r3tF1hrs4hU2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Robert J. Kolker at
nowhere@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 6/13/06 4:04 PM:

George Evans wrote:


Thanks for the free lecture but you didn't address my point. Have you
noticed
how geological stories often involve vast inland seas? Do you see
any such thing on earth now? Geologist do that because they have to
explain extremely large uniform sheets of sediment.

And they do. There is nothing going on here that cannot be explained
by standard physics.

Sure, as long as you ignore gravity and hydodynamics. Honestly, can
you imagine a lake a thousand miles wide and nearly uniformly shallow
forming on a continent and staying put for tens of millions of years?

Who has suggested such a scenario?

I have heard it all my life at National Parks in western USA. It's the
standard story for explaining the far reaching this sediment formations.

Are you talking about the Western Interior Seaway?
If so, how is this different from, for example, the Mediterranean Sea
today?

Have a look at some palaeogeographic maps, and please point out any
"lakes" which are "thousands of miles wide" and "nearly uniformly
shallow".

http://www.scotese.com/earth.htm

It sounds as if you have misinterpreted what you have heard.

RF

Here's a good pictorial of the history of the US Southwest. Although it
doesn't show the Seaway's connections to the oceans (see Cretaceous), it
does show that there wasn't any proposed lake that lasted tens of
millions of years.

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rcb7/paleogeogwus.html

There were other. earlier marine incursions on the area, which may be
part of George's confusion. In fact, it appears the US Southwest has
been shallow marine (off and on) for most of its history.

George's misconceptions may be partially a product of his resistance to
acquiring/understanding data that refutes his preconceptions plus less
than wonderful explanations from National Park personnel. ;-} (Although
I have found most rangers giving talks on geology in the Southwest to be
very knowledgable.)



What do you see around you now that tells you that can happen? All I
can say is, apparently you never tried to form a lake in your back
yard when you were a kid.

George,

Look at the site I reference above. Geologists don't propose any lake
covering that much territory for that long. There have been some large
lakes off & on as sea levels rose & fell, but most of the deposits were
in shallow seas connected to the deep ocean.


George Evans


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My 2¢ ß-}

June

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