Re: Haldane's Dilemma - again, again, again, ...

This showed up in s.b.e.; I thought perhaps some of the howlers who
don't read that group could help Poul out more than I have.

(And I also am secretly hoping that the thread will take root over HERE
in t.o. so I don't have to deal with any more bozos than I already do.)

-JAH


pwemail@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote in news:e672h1$1gv7$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

Hi!

On WikiPedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/) I have been editing the
article about Haldane's Dilemma
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haldane%27s_dilemma). Not that I'm any
expert on this subject; but I reused some of the existing stuff and
stuff from a couple of web-pages. I even read Haldane's "The Cost of
Natural Selection" to be more able to write something relevant. I
divided the text into sections naming one of them "Walter ReMine and
Haldane's Dilemma", and when you speak of the Devil, ...

My problem now is that ReMine is rewriting the whole thing apparently
to promote his special version of Haldane's Dilemma, and it's
difficult to argue against him - because everybody apparently
misrepresents him! I haven't read "The Biotic Message"; it's not
available for loan from libraries, so it's difficult to figure out,
what the book says and what it doesn't say.


The way I read Haldane, substitutions are substitutions of whole genes
- that much should be clear from the first sentence of paragraph 5:
"The principal unit process in evolution is the substitution of one
gene for another at the same locus"

However, ReMine keeps counting in nucleotides claiming that
evolutionists admit that most substitutions are from single point
mutations.

To me this sounds as an irrelevant argumentation. Single nucleotides
are *not* selected. What is selected must be character traits, and in
the first round we should not be concerned with reducing that trait to
biochemics. Isn't ReMine distorting, what things are about by counting
in nucleotides?

Thanks in advance for any help!

[moderator's heart-felt sigh: Sigh. I could have died a happy man
if I never saw ReMine's name again. Oh well. One could do worse than
to start here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB121.html.
Best of luck, and let's keep followup discussion polite. - JAH]

cheers
- Poul Willy Eriksen



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