Re: Claim CI001.1.1: Intelligent design may be taught in U.S. public schools


coaster wrote:
jgrisham@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
catshark wrote:
The Supreme Court has just come down with a case, _Garcetti v.
Ceballos_ that may be relevant to this.

<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003029639_scotus31.html>

The Discovery Institute's claim is that individual teachers have a
freedom of speech/academic freedom right to teach ID if they choose.
The Court, in an opinion by Anthony Kennedy (joined in by Chief Justice
John Roberts and Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel
Alito) held:

When a citizen enters government service, the citizen
by necessity must accept certain limitations on his or
her freedom.

And:

The First Amendment does not prohibit managerial discipline
based on an employee's expressions made pursuant to
official responsibilities.

This may be bad news for whistle-blowing but it looks like it pretty
much ends the idea that there is a right for individual teachers to
defy school board policy on the teaching of science (or, conversely,
that school boards can hide behind the teacher's Constitutional rights
to have ID taught _sub rosa_).

I find it absurd that science teachers should be suspect of teaching ID
or that they at any time could choose to evoke the 1st amendment as
protection to do so. It's called "insubordination" and is ample cause
for any public employee to be terminated.

You might remember Mr Scopes, who insubordinately ignored his school
board and was terminated for teaching some wild theory, lawfully
unacceptable in 1925. I know the way you guys spin things that it might
have escaped your attention that Scopes lost "the Monkey Trial" because
he had been insubordinate. But what applied to Scopes in 1925, applies
to all teachers, ever since... Insubordination gets you fired!

In fact I do remember a little something about that. And it seems to
me you have a very unique view of history.

The truth is Mr. Scopes was not fired for insubordination nor did he
lose the trial because he had been insubordinate. "The Monkey Trial"
was a test case conceived and executed by Mr. Scopes and his colleagues
who opposed new legislation outlawing any teaching of life's origins
that did not involve a divine creator as described in the Christian
Bible. (read "The Butler Act" 1925).

Scopes was not disciplined by the school or anyone else. He was
arrested on a warrant initiated by co-conspirator, George Rappelyea,
who desired not only to bring the Butler Act before the United States
Supreme Court, but also to bring the spotlight to his beloved home
town.

The trial ended in a planned appeal by the defense to find Mr. Scopes
guilty in order to qualify the case for the Supreme Court. The jury
obliged.


Sure! You could have a rambling conspiracy led by school boards,
district administrators, science department heads and select science
teachers teaching the world is flat and when you get to the edge, you
fall off. And the kids don't mention it and reporters don't report it
and it could all be perfectly hidden in the education bureaucracy. I'm
just saying that's a little unlikely.


JTG 5/31/06

Is it just my imagination or is reinventing history an all too common
creationist hobby?

Some creationists have a habit of re-writing history at will in order
to better serve the current argument. Some (like Pat Robertson)
rewrite recent history as well, as in changing what he said the day
before. For 'secularists' this would be called 'telling a lie', but
since the creationists are in the service of gunderscored it's
apparently allowed under a special exemption to the rules: "Lying to
Infidels"

.

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