Re: Evolution of a Cola

"On 31 May 2006 04:56:23 -0700, in article
<1149076583.390775.102820@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Nick Keighley
stated..."

Nick Keighley wrote:
needgod.com wrote:

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The EYE:

do you mean the human eye, the primate eye, the mammllian eye...?

Did you know that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing
muscles move an estimated 100,000 times a day, and the retina contains
137,000,000 light sensitive cells?

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The Human:

When you look at a Human you know there is a Creator.

do you believe any evolution occurred? Were humans created or did they
evolve from (other) apes? Was every creature created by a special act
by god or did some forms change into others?

whilst no one is obliged to answer any post, and there was not an
on-going
conversation between us; I never-the-less find it telling that a
creationist,
typically, will not answer questions like this.

Essentially they are caught on the horns of a dillema (if they are
bright
enough the undertstand the implications of the questions).

Either there was a single creation event and all life was created at
once. The
fossil record is dismissed. Geology, astronomy and much of current
science
goes with it. A new dark age descends.

Or God intervened many times and created each species as needed. The
fossil
record is a correct if patchy record of this. This position beggers
belief. God
created each species *and arranged it look like common descent*.

Presumably they don't understand (or pretend not too) just how powerful
the
nested hierarchy is. It is common to try and compare it with human
design
which does not of course yield a strict hierarchy. Petrol engines are
used
on boats, aeroplanes and cars even though they are far away from each
other on a nested hirarchy.

Then there's DNA... Why are human beings so similar to other chimps?
Why do we have the same errors and retro-viruses and junk DNA? If god
is
involved then man is a modified ape.

But mostly creationists avoid the horns by ignoring them. I'll let our
Gentle Lukers draw there own conclusions.

Let us assume that there really is a methodology to the
analogy of "design".

Then the nested hierarchy of the tree of life is an extremely
complex pattern. One could call it even "complex specified
information". "Specified information", because it predicts, in
advance, that every form of life on earth will fit into a place in
the tree (in anatomy and in biochemistry). And it's a lot more
complex than the anatomy of "the vertebrate eye" (which, by the
way, doesn't make any "risky predictions", but I won't insist on
that).

This pattern of the nested hierarchy in the tree of life (if
we are to believe that there really is a methodology to intelligent
design) was either due to chance (far more unlikely than for "the
eye"), or due to a natural regularity (and common descent seems
to be the only contender), or deliberately and purposefully
designed.

So, was the tree of life deliberately and purposefully
designed to look like there was common descent?


--
---Tom S. <http://talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm>
"... have a clear idea of what you should expect if your hypothesis is correct,
and what you should observe if your hypothesis is wrong ... If you cannot do
this, then this is an indicator that your hypothesis may be too vague."
RV Clarke & JE Eck: Crime Analysis for Problem Solvers - step 20

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