Re: Challenge for Darwinists - Protein Synthesis

Iain wrote:

Wall Of Sleep wrote:

Iain wrote:


Wall Of Sleep wrote:


Elmer wrote:


Wall Of Sleep wrote:



(snip)"In nature invariably we find that no initial cause ever gives

rise to an effect greater than itself."

Were you ever a single cell?


Yes, and *all* the information necessary for me to become what I am
today was present in that cell.



To whatever extent you are physically unique in a useful or viable way
that was not gained from diet, exercise, surgery or learning, you have
random mutation to thank for it.

~Iain


No, 'random mutation' and the normal genetic variety produced through
sexual reproduction are definitely *not* the same thing. If you're
going to argue that the difference between parents and their offspring
is *solely* the result of random mutation,



Mutation is the root cause of all variation.

The reason the very concept of difference exists at all is because of
mutation. Reproduction, sexual or otherwise, is always accompanied by
mutation.

Sure, once, now, if there was no mutation, different parents could
mate, and produce a child that wasn't like either of them, but the
reason why the mother and father are different in the first place is
because between them and their common ancestor are two different
histories of mutation. There is also influx of sexual data, but on each
occasion, the fact that the two sex partners are different all goes
back to different histories of mutation.

No mutation, no variation, period.

~Iain


So now you've redefined random mutation to include normal variation. No wonder the "T"oE can't be falsified.



--
"Are we to believe that mere chance can accomplish that which has proven quite impossible for the enlightened scientist to achieve? I regard that notion as absurd!" John A. Davison, Ph.D. - AN EVOLUTIONARY MANIFESTO: A NEW HYPOTHESIS FOR ORGANIC CHANGE

"In nature invariably we find that no initial cause ever gives rise to an effect greater than itself. Nature does not violate the principle of causality, but the evolutionist delusion does, to no small degree." Kazmer Ujvarosy - Brainstorms

"One thing for sure: at the heart of the physical universe, at the heart
of the whole shebang, are formulas, exact formulas." Doug Wedel - Brainstorms

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