Re: Copernican heliocentricity

In article <1148334196.286287.144470@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"oriel36" <geraldkelleher@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Look,it is near impossible for empiricists to acknowledge the Newtonian
mutations and I sympathise that you can't grasp the difference .

I provided the second greatest representation after the Copernican
heliocentric arrangement - the Panis Quadragesimalis of Kepler to
affirm plotted planetary motions aghainst the stellar background and
orbital comparisons.

I can give you the text of Copernicus and how he reasoned
heliocentricity through the forward motion of the Earth overtaking the
slower forward motion of the other planets as the primary way to infer
the orbital motion of the Earth and Mars but at thios stage I object to
presenting my astronomical heritage to people hellbent on destroying
it through that rotten Newtonian mutation.

bingbingbing aroooga arooooga! Crackpot alert! Crackpot alert!

Oooh... your great and learned astronomical *heritage* is so fine and
holy that it doesn't stand up to close scrutiny? Is that it?


"We find, then, in this arrangement the marvelous symmetry of the
universe, and a sure linking together in harmony of the motion and size
of the spheres, such as could be perceived in no other way. For here
one may understand, by attentive observation, why Jupiter appears to
have a larger progression and retrogression than Saturn, and smaller
than Mars, and again why Venus has larger ones than Mercury; why such a
doubling back appears more frequently in Saturn than in Jupiter, and
still more rarely in Mars and Venus than in Mercury; and furthermore
why Saturn, Jupiter and Mars are nearer to the Earth when in opposition
than in the region of their occultations by the Sun and re-appearance .
. . . All these phenomena proceed from the same cause, which lies in
the motion of the Earth. De revolutionibus, 1543

No jumping to the Sun to account for the behavior of the planets,for
the Ptolemaic astronomers too referenced apparent retrogrades using the
stellar background but dropped it in their conclusions of periodic
looping motions from a stationary Earh.In this respect,the
idiosyncratic Newtonian format is not even geocentric.

That doesn't make any sense. It's what we familiar with formal grammar
theory call "content-free."

Not if Copernicus or Kepler himself appeared before you would you
change your views,the ability to consider Newton's foundational agenda
to be incorrect is almost impossible to contemplate but I assure you it
is and it is destructive in content and character.

Okay, show us why.

None of you have any reason to complain,who would know the difference
between an older and distinguished astronomical method and it twisting
to support a casual agenda by fraudulent means.

This has been one long day.

I feel for you ... the work needed to present your convoluted argument
without presenting any real evidence and, for that matter, no real
discernible claims, must be tiring!

--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com

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