Re: Copernican heliocentricity


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The Ptolemaic and Copernican astronomers plotted the motion of the
planets against the background stars.Here are actual 23 images of
Jupiter and Saturn taken over the course of a year -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/jupsatloop_tezel.jpg

When assembled into time lapse footage, the motions look like this -

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

With a little effort,Christians can enjoy seeing the faster Earth
overtaking the slower moving outer planets and that is how Copernicus
worked out that the Earth moved around the Sun.

The poor Newtonians got it wrong and any Christian can affirm it after
becoming comfortable with the time lapse footage above and what those
motions represent through Copernican reasoning.It really is a bad
Newtonian mutation of Copernican reasoning.

" Against the stellar background planetary motions appear sometimes
direct,sometimes stationary and sometimes retrograde.But from an
orbitally moving Earth planetary heliocentric motions are seen direct "
COPERNICUS

Newton chages this to -


" For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct," NEWTON

http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/phaenomena.htm


I found the passage attributed to Newton in his Principia but I can't
find
the one attributed to Copernicous. Could you point me in the right
direction. Also, everyone at the time could see retrograde motion.
Ptolemy
and Copernicus had opposing theories. Copernicus won. Newton and the rest
added to Copernicus because of small but noticeable details that were
unexplained. Kepler came up with elliptical orbits and Newton came up
with
the laws of mass and motion. Where does this video show any explanation
of
your belief that Newton was wrong and Copernicus knew everything?

Look,it is near impossible for empiricists to acknowledge the Newtonian
mutations and I sympathise that you can't grasp the difference .

I provided the second greatest representation after the Copernican
heliocentric arrangement - the Panis Quadragesimalis of Kepler to
affirm plotted planetary motions aghainst the stellar background and
orbital comparisons.

I can give you the text of Copernicus and how he reasoned
heliocentricity through the forward motion of the Earth overtaking the
slower forward motion of the other planets as the primary way to infer
the orbital motion of the Earth and Mars but at thios stage I object to
presenting my astronomical heritage to people hellbent on destroying
it through that rotten Newtonian mutation.

"We find, then, in this arrangement the marvelous symmetry of the
universe, and a sure linking together in harmony of the motion and size
of the spheres, such as could be perceived in no other way. For here
one may understand, by attentive observation, why Jupiter appears to
have a larger progression and retrogression than Saturn, and smaller
than Mars, and again why Venus has larger ones than Mercury; why such a
doubling back appears more frequently in Saturn than in Jupiter, and
still more rarely in Mars and Venus than in Mercury; and furthermore
why Saturn, Jupiter and Mars are nearer to the Earth when in opposition
than in the region of their occultations by the Sun and re-appearance .
. . . All these phenomena proceed from the same cause, which lies in
the motion of the Earth. De revolutionibus, 1543
So it isn't a direct passage but something you interpreted as compared to
the Newton passage from principia. As for me not understanding your
perspective, I can see it's the same stuff that preceded natural philosophy
and was reiterated thousands of years later that if science says one thing
and the bible another then revealed scripture should take precidence. Have I
got that right?

.

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