Re: Science of choices falls out of research


nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
André G. Isaak wrote:
In article <1147556599.741921.138170@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx" <nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

stew dean wrote:

You have also so far failed to
describe it either - you came up with some rubbish about the location
being at the center of the probability distribution and something about
zeropoint energy.

So actually I have described it perfectly well, even locating points of
decision down to the atomic level. And there was nothing about
zeropoint energy in what I said.

You haven't described it at all. You have asserted without any evidence
that the decision occurs at the zero-point of the probability
distribution of an electron. Lack of evidence aside, this is gibberish
since the probability distribution of an electron does not have a unique
zero-point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

As one can see, all graphs of the probability-distribution are symetric
horizontally and vertically. So reasonably, one would suppose the point
of decision to be at the center.

This makes no sense. What 'decision' is made? Do you understand what
those graphs represent. Let me quote a chunk of the article at you..

"Probability in the context of quantum mechanics has to do with the
likelihood of finding a system in a particular state at a certain time,
for example, finding an electron, in a particular region around the
nucleus at a particular time. Therefore, electrons cannot be pictured
as localized particles in space but rather should be thought of as
"clouds" of negative charge spread out over the entire orbit. These
clouds represent the regions around the nucleus where the probability
of "finding" an electron is the largest. This probability cloud obeys a
quantum mechanical principle called Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle,
which states that there is an uncertainty in the classical position of
any subatomic particle, including the electron; so instead of
describing where an electron or other particle is, the entire range of
possible values is used, describing a probability distribution."

So in short instead of doing the impossible and saying where the
electron is at anyone point of time we use a cloud that represents
where the electron could be. If you use enough electrons and atoms then
the probabiltiies are as good as the actual position just as 50/50 is a
good representation of tossing a coin if you flip it 1000 times.

So how do you get from the position of an electron to a decision being
made? The electron in the system has a 'classical position' - that is
the cloud is a representation not how the system actualy works.



Even if that would be false, then a
second reasonable guess would be that the decision is at the location
of the electron, which would still leave the averaged location of a
decisionpoint at the center.

Why the electron - why not the atom or why not down to the smaller
parts that make up an electron? Why not the quarks. Maybe you want to
go further and envoke string theory.

Explain why an electron is your decision point and what dicision the
electron makes. Can an electron change it's own path? Nope. Causality
strikes again.


Another reasonable guess would be that the
decision is in the place where the electron can't be.

See above. You are not being reasonable and I'm doubting your honesty
at the moment.

In any case what
reasonable gueses one can make about the location of a decision
according to relative distances within a probability distribution, the
point of decision has another quality, which is nothing.

But there's an electron there - it's not nothing - it is very very very
very small and there is a lot of nothing around it but it's still
something. You havnt actualy explain what you mean by 'nothing' being
another quality of a decision point. A decision point is, from what
I've gleened, as the point where probability changes in a system (even
though probability is not part of this or any other system). Where
probability does come into play is our understanding of the system - we
use probabilies because we cannot see the actuality. The graphs are a
great illustration of that.

So where to next - are you going to go down in scale now?

Stew Dean


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