Re: Signs of Deliberate Artifact?


Seanpit wrote:
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Why didn't you say, "Well, larger drops do take on the shape of
hamburger buns, but I'm talking about very tiny drops"? Instead, you
just called me crazy even though you knew that given the statement as
you made it, I was actually correct?

No, you were wrong.

LOL - geez! I'm wrong about the shape of larger raindrops as they fall
through the atmosphere? You still think I'm wrong? Man, you're
hopeless!

Most raindrop are below 2mm in diameter.
Raindrops below 2mm in diameter form almost perfect spheres.

You were wrong.

I wasn't wrong at all based on what you said - and you know it.

I wrote: "Water droplets falling in a still atmosphere fall perfect
spheres."

I mistyped:

It should have read "Water droplets falling in a still atmosphere form
perfect spheres."

Is this statement false?

Yes, this statement is false if the water droplets are larger than the
size of very small mist droplets. The atmosphere can be as "still" as
can be relative to the Earth. Yet, if a water droplet is "falling"
through it, the atmosphere is actually moving relative to the droplet.
This relative movement of the atmosphere against the droplet, even a
small droplet, will deform the droplet into a flattened hamburger bun
shape. Only in a weightless environment where the droplets isn't
"falling" relative to the atmosphere would it take on a spherical
shape.

If you had known this, why did you say that I was "Watching to many
cartoons" and that I was "WRONG" when I mentioned this little bit of
trivia to you? Your own Wikipedia reference lists this fact. Didn't you
read this first? At the very least you should have said, "Well yes,
raindrops larger than 1-2 mm do form the hamburger bun look when
falling through the atmosphere. But, I'm talking about very small
droplets or droplets that aren't falling or moving at all relative an
atmosphere in a weightless environment."

Why not look to see what is actually known about raindrops and what
happens to them when they fall? I happen to have a close cycling buddy
who works at NOAA. He knows about stuff like this. He sent me these two
refs;

http://ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F1520-0469(2000)057%3C3406:MOMRSF%3E2.0.CO%3B2

or
http://tinyurl.com/nab3b

http://ams.allenpress.com/pdfserv/10.1175%2F1520-0469(1971)028%3C0086:ASEDOT%3E2.0.CO%3B2

or
http://tinyurl.com/qdf5v

You will note, Dr. Pitman, something peculiar about both papers. They
proposed methods for determining the shape of raindrops of various size
and under a variety of conditions. Do you see all those funny numbers
and letters and symbols and funny squiggly things? See them? They're
all over the papers.

Their called maths. It's regarded as de-rigueur for science types that
when they make claims or form and test hypotheses, that they rigorously
describe how they arrived at their findings.

You could learn a LOT from these papers, Dr. Pitman. And not only about
the shape of raindrops.

.

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