Re: Discovery Institute "scrambling"

Robin Levett wrote:

Frank J wrote:


Jim wrote:
"Frank J" <fnci@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message>
First of all, if he paid any attention he
would know that most leading ID advocates do not "believe in 'the'
biblical version of creation" - either the YEC version or most OEC
versions.

Oh? What do they believe in? I pay pretty close attention to the
matter and can say with great confidence that ID-ers are biblical
literalists.


Has any of them defended a 6-day creation or global flood? Aside from
Paul Nelson, who seems to think that the earth is only 1000s of years
old, the rest have no problem with the age of the earth (4.5B),
Cambrian (540M), etc. And Michael Behe repeatedly said that he also has
no problem with common descent. And Dembski doesn't rule it out. But
here's the kicker, none of theose who appear to reject common descent
challenges Behe directly, or even states what they think happened
instead - aside from weasel words like "common design". That tells me
that they probably all know that all the anti-evolution accounts are
nonsense, even if they do honestly doubt the "mutation + natural
selection causes speciation" part (& I not so sure about that part
either).

I agree that they prefer that most *audiences* be biblical literalists,
whether YE or various OE interpretations (day-age, gap), because they
think that the "masses" can't handle the truth of evolution. But unlike
classic creationsts they prefer not to advertise the flaws &
contradictions in the mutually contradictory creationist positions,
when they can just instill unreasonable doubt about "Darwinism", and
let the audience infer the rest.

These are scam artists, not honest believers. Otherwise they'd try to
find common ground, test their ideas, and openly debate their
differences, etc. Just like real scientists do.

Try Stephen Meyer; member of the faculty at Palm Beach Atlantic University
until recently, who holds/held (unless he is/was dishonest) to a statement
of faith that:-

"To assure the perpetuation of these basic concepts of its founders, it is
resolved that all those who become associated with Palm Beach Atlantic as
trustees, officers, members of the faculty or of the staff, must believe
in the divine inspiration of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments;
that man was directly created by God; that Jesus Christ was born of a
virgin; that He is the Son of God, our Lord and Savior; that He died for
the sins of all men and thereafter arose from the grave; that by
repentance and the acceptance of and belief in Him, by the grace of God,
the individual is saved from eternal damnation and receives eternal life
in the presence of God; and it is further resolved that the ultimate
teachings in this University shall always be consistent with these
principles."

Does this clause - "that man was directly created by God" - not indicate
that he believes in a biblical version of creationism?

Interestingly, the site has been revamped recently, and it's not so easy
to find the above statement; and, as I recall, there used to be more on
the inerrancy of the Bible.


Following up on my own post I've been checking the 2003-3 Course Catalog
from which the statement above was taken.

None of the course descriptions for biology mention the word "evolution".

There is a "Historical Geology" course for which the description reads:-

"History of the Earth as interpreted from rocks, fossils and biblical
teachings".


Sounds like a flood geology course to me...


Interestingly, amongst the "Honours" courses is one called "Design Chance
and Necessity" which includes in its description the following passage:-

"Discussions of the relationship among philosophy, religion and theology
culminate with an examination of contemporary challenges to
presuppositional naturalism from theistic movements like Intelligent
Design".

I believe I am right in saying that Meyer taught this course.

--
Robin Levett
rlevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)

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