Re: Discovery Institute "scrambling"

Frank J wrote:


Jim wrote:
"Frank J" <fnci@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message>
First of all, if he paid any attention he
would know that most leading ID advocates do not "believe in 'the'
biblical version of creation" - either the YEC version or most OEC
versions.

Oh? What do they believe in? I pay pretty close attention to the matter
and can say with great confidence that ID-ers are biblical literalists.


Has any of them defended a 6-day creation or global flood? Aside from
Paul Nelson, who seems to think that the earth is only 1000s of years
old, the rest have no problem with the age of the earth (4.5B),
Cambrian (540M), etc. And Michael Behe repeatedly said that he also has
no problem with common descent. And Dembski doesn't rule it out. But
here's the kicker, none of theose who appear to reject common descent
challenges Behe directly, or even states what they think happened
instead - aside from weasel words like "common design". That tells me
that they probably all know that all the anti-evolution accounts are
nonsense, even if they do honestly doubt the "mutation + natural
selection causes speciation" part (& I not so sure about that part
either).

I agree that they prefer that most *audiences* be biblical literalists,
whether YE or various OE interpretations (day-age, gap), because they
think that the "masses" can't handle the truth of evolution. But unlike
classic creationsts they prefer not to advertise the flaws &
contradictions in the mutually contradictory creationist positions,
when they can just instill unreasonable doubt about "Darwinism", and
let the audience infer the rest.

These are scam artists, not honest believers. Otherwise they'd try to
find common ground, test their ideas, and openly debate their
differences, etc. Just like real scientists do.

Try Stephen Meyer; member of the faculty at Palm Beach Atlantic University
until recently, who holds/held (unless he is/was dishonest) to a statement
of faith that:-

"To assure the perpetuation of these basic concepts of its founders, it is
resolved that all those who become associated with Palm Beach Atlantic as
trustees, officers, members of the faculty or of the staff, must believe in
the divine inspiration of the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments; that
man was directly created by God; that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin;
that He is the Son of God, our Lord and Savior; that He died for the sins
of all men and thereafter arose from the grave; that by repentance and the
acceptance of and belief in Him, by the grace of God, the individual is
saved from eternal damnation and receives eternal life in the presence of
God; and it is further resolved that the ultimate teachings in this
University shall always be consistent with these principles."

Does this clause - "that man was directly created by God" - not indicate
that he believes in a biblical version of creationism?

Interestingly, the site has been revamped recently, and it's not so easy to
find the above statement; and, as I recall, there used to be more on the
inerrancy of the Bible.

--
Robin Levett
rlevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (unmunge by removing big blue - don't yahoo)

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