Re: Science of choices falls out of research


nando_ronteltap@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
stew dean wrote:

Which is always in the human brain in a distributed way. The material
is the make up of the brain. We know this.

There is no "we" that know this, it is your personal fantasy. You just
come up with "distributed" because you don't understand. You simply
obfuscate the matter with complexity, because you can't handle a
decision at a precise location.

Decisions aren't *made at precise locations. At best, small areas of
the brain, with input from, and associated activity in, the rest of the
brain. And decisions are not synonymous with probability, which is the
mathematical calculation for the likelihood of an event or degree of an
outcome.


No decisions are grouned in the brain, not just referenced by. The mind
resides in the brain and makes decisions. It's not an abstract notion
but common knowledge you are arguing against.

Rubbish, I'm just arguing against racist notions of material heritable
spiritual attributes.

Why do you keep bringing up racism?

So then we have dog decisions, decisions which
wag their tail, and bunnyrabit decisions, decisions which hop around,

Animals certainly have thier own agenda, and we can discuss or study
the way dogs make decisions or which decisions they are likely to make
under given circumstances, but we don't normally speak of "dog
decisions".

and of course Jewish decisions which lie and cheat, and Aryan decisions
which love and care.

Why are you so contemptuous of reality? Why do you hate so much? We
have never said anything like this; you will not find biology textbooks
that say things like this. This is dispicable behavior, and I hope it
is your illness which causes it.

That's your game by insisting that decisions are grounded in material and your Darwinist
science of love ,

There is no "Darwinist science of love". There is, of course,
psychology, which has become a modern science only in the last few
decades (it is only recently we could study behavior (especially the
brain) properly). Psychology is understood best in view of evolution,
altho some subjects need to consider it more than others.

the racism is basically inevitable.

Nonsense. But it is clear that creationism is based on ignorance, which
stands firm only when dishonesty is involved. Racism is not universal,
but it is a very human activity, and is at least as old as history -
probably older. It cannot be blamed on scince, and there is nothing in
science that implies racist behavior is desirable.


You're right. They are not small and grey, or big and blue, or spikey
and a hue of purple. They have no shape, size or colour. Decisions are
a thought process that leads to action by a person or other intelligent
entity. They are similair to calculations and calculations may make up
part of a decision.

If they are similar to calculations then why do calculators not decide
anything at all?

They're not smart enough. In time, computers will make decisions.

Of course calculation has nothing to do with it, as
decisions require an alternative.

Eh? Yes. the chances of one event happenig rather than the
alternatives is what is calculated. As our knowledge of a particular
situation's initial conditions and their consequences improves, our
probability approaches one (or zero).


Urm, no. Emergent propoeties are to do with interaction of elements,
not atoms and very much not probabilities. You're not even in the right
ball park here, sorry.

It's what I read of Feynman, I'm quite sure what you say is rubbish, as
it doesn't even make sense. It is just quasi-sophisticated mumbo jumbo
with no logical progression in it. Again, emergence depends on many
probabilistic actors behaving similarly.

Can you provide a cite? What you are saying may make more sense when we
see what Feyman was talking about. While this is true as far as it
goes, it doesn't really make clear what emergence *is*. For one thing,
the emergent property is not *predictable from understanding the
properties of the constituent parts.
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

"Emergence is the process of complex pattern formation from simpler
rules.
This can be a dynamic process (occurring over time), such as the
evolution of the human body over thousands of successive generations;
or emergence can happen over disparate size scales, such as the
interactions between a great number of neurons producing a human brain
capable of thought (even though the constituent neurons are not
individually capable of thought)."


regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

Kermit

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