Re: The ID ONLY Hypothesis


"Seanpit" <seanpitnospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Hieros Gamos wrote:

That is possible ...

That is what Sean is saying, that it is possible there might be an
omnipotent creator, but there is no reason for us to agree with him that
it
is possible, he isn't producing anything leading to that conclusion, all
he
is doing is creating an ad hoc hypothesis, which is logical fallacy.

An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
refute one's theory.
http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html

Where have you presented any evidence remotely indicating that my
intelligently designed highly symmetrical polished granite cube
hypothesis is in error?

Your error (and that of Dembski and the rest) is in creating some conjecture
(some speculative, 'might be' imagining with no basis in fact), then arguing
_ad ignorantiam_ there is no proof it is false.

That is logical fallacy for which your ilk have been famous for eons, as
Copi explains in _Introduction to Logic_:

<quote>
Famous in the history of science is the argument _ad ignorantiam_ given in
criticism of Galileo, when he showed leading astronomers of his time the
mountains and valleys on the moon that could be seen through his telescope.
Some scholars of that age, absolutely convinced that the moon was a perfect
sphere, as theology and Aristotelian science had long taught, argued against
Galileo that, although we see what appear to be mountains and valleys, the
moon is in fact a perfect sphere, because all its apparent irregularities
are filled in by an invisible crystalline substance. And this hypothesis,
which saves the perfection of the heavenly bodies, Galileo could not prove
false!

Galileo, to expose the argument _ad ignorantium_, offered another of the
same kind as a caricature. Unable to prove the nonexistence of the
transparent crystal supposedly filling the valleys, he put forward the
equally probable hypothesis that there were, rearing up from the invisible
crystalline envelope on the moon, even greater mountain peaks -- but made
of crystal and thus invisible! And this hypothesis his critics could not
prove false.
</quote>
(Copi and Cohen, _Introduction to Logic_)

[In this case the term, 'hypothesis' means conjecture, a speculative, 'might
be' imagining with no basis in fact.]




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