Re: A Question for the Board

On 24 Apr 2006 16:45:31 -0700, jwblsu@xxxxxxxxx enriched this group
when s/he wrote:

Reading through many of the posts here, it is clear that many of you
are very intelligent and well-schooled in varying areas of scientific
discipline. I have something to say, and something to ask, and each
will no doubt cause a certain amount of disagreement. What I propose
is for everyone to limit their responses, and rebuttals, to one
paragraph of a few lines or less. Here's why.

Often, forum

This is NOT a forum, it is NOT a board - this is a usenet newsgroup.

threads get everyone lost because posts take hours to read
and comprehend. I find myself getting dry, red eyes just trying to read
the first of 27 pages of some threads (be honest, you've been there!).

Nope. Reading any contributing to a high-traffic newsgroup like this
is a bit of an art, but your killfile is your friend.

So here it is:

We are not that intelligent. As human beings we are just not smart
enough to answer many of life's toughest questions. Imagine that you
decided to create a universe right now. Where would you even start?
It boggles the mind. It's a non-starter.

Is it? I disagree. We may not know everything as yet, but I doubt we
have a limit.

This tells me that we are ridiculously tiny both in terms of physical
size and intelligence relative to the rest of the universe. This also
tells me that IF there were a being which created the universe, it is
so much more sophisticated in terms of intelligence than we are, that
we can't even begin to imagine the difference.

Rubbish.

1. Science is a set of methods designed to enhance man's knowledge
2. Man is limited

But we don't know where the limit is until we try.

3. Science is limited

Only if we allow it to be.

If science tells us the world as we know it has evolved to this point,
perhaps it has. Perhaps we are evolutionary descendents of apes.

We are not descendants of apes, we are apes.

Perhaps the Big Bang Theory is also true,

There in no perhaps about it.

and that the entire contents
of the universe was once as small as an acorn.

Far, FAR smaller than that.

What is the origin of
that "acorn"?

Quantum flutuations.

You see we really haven't discovered the origin of
anything.

You may claim that, but you are wrong.

Perhaps we have discovered that the universe's contents used
to be much more dense from a physical standpoint than they are now, but
that doesn't tell us where the contents themselves originated.

They originated in the big bang.

Or take it one step further. Why was there the potential for the
origins of our "acorn" to come into be?

Not a valid question.

Why was there a possiblity for
there to BE a "reality" and a "universe"?

Again, not a valid question.

Why was there a
three-dimensional space for our acorn to exist?

There wasn't - time and space didn't exist until the big bang.

We are limited indeed my friends. I, for one, am not too proud to
admit that, though I'll keep searching and reading and clawing my way
for more knowledge in this life, there are certain things that only a
creator could know.

The is no creator - nor is there a need for one.

-JWB
--
Bob.

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