Re: Atheists are the biggest fools on Earth


Mark VandeWettering wrote:
On 2006-04-12, Jim Spaza <spaza9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

AC wrote:
On 1 Apr 2006 11:53:23 -0800,
Jim Spaza <spaza9@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:
On 21 Mar 2006 12:30:47 -0800, "Jim Spaza" <spaza9@xxxxxxxxx> enriched
this group when s/he wrote:

Universes could just be things that happen from time to time.

It would be a convenient explanation for the near-infinite complexity
and entropy of the singularity. But, let's be honest. Is such an
explanation more wishful thinking or more driven by scientific
discovery?

At least there is scientific evidence for the Big Bang. When will we
see any for "goddidit"?

--
Bob.

The evidence that this universe and life in it couldn't have
statistically happened on its own IS indeed evidence that
something/Someone more powerful than the cosmos made it happen.

YOu have yet to back up this particular argument from incredulity. In fact,
you can't, because we simply don't have a large enough sample size to make
any kind of statistical assessment. In short, all you're doing is using the
word "statistically" in an attempt to bolster what is ultimately a pretty
shallow claim.

--
Aaron Clausen
mightymartianca@xxxxxxxxxxx

I have back this up. Let's try again.

I haven't read the rest of this, but I bet you are gonna repeat the same
BS you've been peddling in this thread again.

There is zero evidence that the gravitational constant, or any other
constant of the universe, is dependent on other constants or inherently
restricted to a certain set of parameters. Without such evidence, any
scientific analysis must include the potential for gravity to be any
number.

How can such an analysis be considered "scientific"?

It's scientific to consider all possibilities. You have to test every
possibility to rule it out, don't you? Yes. So, any testing must not
assume that gravity is linked to any other constant.


OK. The gravitational constant can be any number from a repulsive
force of infinity through zero to a attractive force of infinity.
The gravitational constant in this universe is weak enough to allow
the universe to expand as we see it yet strong enough to allow the
creation of stars and planetary bodies larger than a few hundred feet
in diameter.

If the range of values for the gravitational constant is only integers
from say 0 to 1000, then the chance that this universe has the
existing gravitational constant is 0.1%.

This presumes that they are uniformly distributed. There is no reason
to believe that such a distribution is the appropriate distribution.

Without having any scientific discovery to say otherwise, you must
start somewhere. Why not start with a uniform distribution of possible
values?

But, we have no reason to not believe
that gravity could have been any number from zero to infinity...or a
repulsive force from zero to infinity. Now, think about the odds.

And life of any appreciable size (larger than an insect) can only exist
when gravity is below a certain amount. And this universe (with
elements heavier than hydrogen and helium) can only exist if gravity is
above a certain amount to allow the formation of stars which are
thought that have created the heavier elements.

See where I'm going with this?

The same place you started.

Mark

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