Re: Question for biblical creationists

"On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:07:29 GMT, in article
<5xX_f.5828$i41.2195@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Dana Tweedy stated..."


"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Dana Tweedy wrote:
"Ray Martinez" <pyramidial@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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A linguistics professor I once had used to counter this kind of
amateur
onomastics with the example of "Potomac" vs. Greek "potomos". He
would
jokingly claim that this proved that the ancient Greeks must have
settled Virginia.

But no one claims Greek "potomos" settled in Virginia.

And no sane person claims that Mazatlan was settled by people from
Atlantis.


Insult caused by frustration due to the inability to refute

Ray, as I've already pointed out, your claim has been refuted. Mazatlan
has no connection at all with the Greek legend of Atlantis.

or
objectively admit this evidence supports the claim.

That "evidence" does not support your claim, which is what I've been telling
you.

It is not a matter
of opinion. The linguistics support the existence of the island
continent.

Ray, Gene Scott's promiscuious use of false etymologies does not support the
existance of Atlantis. The same "lingustics" claim could say that SeATLle
WA, BATtLe Creek MI, or ATLanta GA support the existance of the "Island
Continent". The fact remains that conicidental vocal elements in
different languages does not support your beliefs.


And I never said Atlanteans settled in Mazatlan.

I never said you did. That's not the point anyway. It's just a
concidence the the word "Mazatlan" when translated into English has an
element that sounds something like "ATL".

I said the name
mazATLAN linguistically supports the existence of the lost continent.

You stated that "But no one claims Greek "potomos" settled in Virginia",
which I counterpointed that no sane person claims that Atlantians settled in
Mazatlan. You were the one who brought up "settling", (or should that be
"setATL"? )

You have misunderstood.

No, Ray, I understood what you claimed. You seem to have forgotten what
you said yourself.



IOW, you have no answer to the linguistics, except to make a joke =
compliment to evidence.

Linguistics can be easily misused, and does not support your claim.


Then refute each one. As it sits now all you can do is say "nuh uh".

I've already done that. But to go again:

Mazatlan is a American Indian word meaning "Place of the deer", and is on
the Pacific ocean. There is little or nothing to connect the city with the
Greek legend of Atlantis, other than a vocal element in the English
translation of the word.

Atlas mountains are named after the Greek legendary Titan "Atlas", who
according to Greek mythology holds up the world. Plato does refer to a
King Atlas, of Atlantis, but that refers to different legendary figure.

The Atlantic Ocean does refer to Atlantis, but is named after the legendary
continent. Likewise the liner Titanic was named after the Greek Titans, or
the Eiger Mountain in the Alps is named after a legendary Ogre that was
supposed to have lived there. People often name real objects after
legendary figures or places.



I am very willing to say this linguistic evidence does not come close
to proving the claim but it surely does support.

Not even close, Ray. The word Mazatlan has nothing to do with the Greek
Atlantis.


I see no need to post
other evidence until someone has an intelligent answer or
refutation....or how about even "score one for evidence of Atlantis."

Sorry, but the derivation of Mazatlan has already been shown to refute
your
claim.

DJT

Show me the scholar and his/her fact.

Already done. You, on the other hand haven't shown any reason to accept
your derivation of the word.


We know you evos relied on a WIKI source = any Joe Blow.
[...snip...]

Just by way of explanation of my choice of Wikipedia -

Wikipedia is an ostensibly neutral source. If you think that it
is biassed against your speculations, there is at least a bit of a
burden to establish that.

Wikipedia is a convenient source. Your point is so crackpot that
it isn't worth a lot of effort to refute it.

For people who may be interested, there are several English
words which have Nahuatl origin, and a number of them use the
"atl" combination. Here are a few which anyone can check in one's
favorite dictionary: atlatl, chocolatl (source of English
"chocolate"), tomatl ("tomato"), Nahuatl, Quetzalcoatl.


--
---Tom S. <http://talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm>
"It is not too much to say that every indication of Design in the Kosmos is so
much evidence against the Omnipotence of the Designer. ... The evidences ... of
Natural Theology distinctly imply that the author of the Kosmos worked under
limitations..." John Stuart Mill, "Theism", Part II

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